Notices
General NON-Automotive Conversation No Political, Sexual or Religious topics please.

Let's burn some oil 🤔

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 08:33 PM
  #1  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
Let's burn some oil 🤔

I figured I'd share my project which isn't done yet. I'm making a boiler of sorts, which will burn waste oil.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 08:43 PM
  #2  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
My little garage is barely big enough for a go kart nevermind vehicles, so I removed both doors and built into walls. Once in a while it's nice to tinker and build things, so I picked up an oil furnace at a yard sale once, and used it for heat when needed. The garage isn't insulated (but will be soon now) but for the odd time I needed to do a project, it was easy enough to dump a few liters of diesel in a tank and fire it up. I tried a wood fireplace once, but oil is so much faster to get heat plus when I shut it off and go in theres not a fire still going.

Somewhere along the way, I decided to start mixing some waste engine oil in the fuel, more waste oil, eventually I had to pull the burner and adjust it to burn waste oil better.

Anyways, eventually, the combustion chamber had enough. Upon reading, thicker oil makes a tighter spray pattern and longer flame which ends up blasting against the combustion chamber and eventually wrecking it. This was not an instant problem so I had no idea it was an issue. Running 100% waste oil for hundreds of hours eventually did this.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 08:51 PM
  #3  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
This was a few weeks ago, burning waste oil. I've always been so impressed with how well the Beckett burner burns waste oil, that's why I've decided to utilize it for a boiler project. The exhaust is just heat waves in the air and doesn't smell at all.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 08:56 PM
  #4  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
This is a about a gallon sized jug I've used for years for a fuel tank. I would start the furnace and shut off with diesel, and run waste oil if I was in there for hours. It took about 15 minutes for diesel to go through the line and filter and pump.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 09:01 PM
  #5  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
After removing the Beckett burner from the furnace, it looks like the retention head has gotten pretty darn hot. If you've never seen one of these before, it's basically an air flow control plate that keeps the combustion close to the head.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 09:12 PM
  #6  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
So, since the burner works alright and the furnace was pooched, I decided why not build a boiler system and that way I can pipe heat to the house and save on the heating bill.





the fire box was made from 8x8" tubing that was 40" long and 1/4" thick.
the exhaust flues are 1.5x1.5" tubing 1/8" thick.
The plate used for the body is all 1/8" thick. It was a 6x12 sheet.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 09:20 PM
  #7  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
The 6 flue pipes come out the top of the tank, I have to make a collector to go to a 6 inch chimney pipe.

The tank is actually going to be filled with oil instead of water. It seemed like a way to avoid corrosion issues.
because it's going to be oil filled, special precautions needed to be taken to avoid a worse case scenario failure of the thermostat failing in the on position and running the burner and heating the tank way beyond safe levels.
So my plan is using 3 separate thermostats, 2 on the boiler tank, and one on the exhaust collector somewhere. This way all 3 thermostats need to be in the correct range for the thermostat wire to be connected and fire the burner. The chances of all 3 thermostats failing is so slim there's no point in thinking about it imho.
however, the fill tube on top will also be metal and route outside, if somehow the oil begins to vaporize it will vent outside.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 09:47 PM
  #8  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
A little note about designing things with safety in mind, i always like to think of failure modes. You can't ever eliminate 100% of a risk, but you can mitigate it hopefully with multiple safety systems.

For example, as i said I'll be using 3 thermostats. They are digital with "k" type thermo couple sensors and go from -40 to 999* c . 30 amp relays.
2 will be on the tank in separate locations with separate hold downs. They will be wired in series with the thermostat trigger wire for the burner so they both need to be in the heat demand position to fire it on.
The primary will be set to turn on at 180*f and off at 200*f. The second thermostat will be set to turn on at -40 and off at 220*f. This way, if it should overheat, it will not fire up again. ( unless it reaches -40 in the garage in which case the burner would never start anyways and shut off within 5 seconds.)

The thermostat on the exhaust will be set similar, on at -40 and off at (whatever the exhaust being too hot ends up being maybe 600*f) so if the exhaust overheats the system is disabled until it reaches 40 below.
Disconnecting the probe wires gives the same reading as 40 below.

So, for it to fail and "runaway", all 3 sensors or thermostats would need to fail, which realistically isn't likely.

On top of the temperature control system, the burner itself has an optical sensor which disables the burner if it runs and doesn't fire within about 5 seconds. That's standard equipment from Beckett so I'm assuming a fairly high quality.

 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ways Ford is LOSING to the Competition

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 6 Best Deals Available on New Fords & Lincolns Right Now

 Brett Foote
story-2

This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-7

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 10:00 PM
  #9  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
Just showing how the Beckett burner will sit roughly.

I used water to test the tank for leaks, there was a few pinholes and a few spots where it got wet but didn't leak out. Over about 5 hours there was only a few drips on the ground. It proved very hard to weld over water pinholes. So I drained the water and welded up the worst, and the rest I'll repair once it's full of oil and hot. Welding over oil is actually way easier than water I've found. Plus oil doesn't cool as well as water so penetration should be better.
obviously the tank would be totally full to eliminate the chances of starting a fire inside.



 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 10:10 PM
  #10  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
This part will fit over the rectangular hole in the top of the boiler. It holds the heat exchanger and has a hole in the middle where I'll weld in the fill/vent tube which will run outside. This will maybe come off once every year or 2 to suck any sludge from the bottom of the boiler that may have settled out of the oil.

this copper piping will circulate antifreeze through the hot oil to be used for radiators in the garage and house. The copper pipe is held in the still tubes by construction adhesive so the steel and copper doesn't touch and start reacting or corroding.

Maybe it's hard to notice in pictures but the fire flue tubes are in the back half of the boiler and this heat exchanger will sit in the front half. It reaches from the top to just above the fire box.

The actual boiler tank is 12 inches wide, 6 ft tall, and about 40 inches deep. So this heat exchanger would be roughly 5 ft tall.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 10:15 PM
  #11  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
This is a thing I made that hopefully helps. The fuel supply will flow from the tank, through this, then a filter assembly before the burner. I'm hoping this collects most of the junk so the filter lasts a long time.

I will also be filtering the oil with cloth or paper towel and other makeshift stuff before it going in the fuel tank. It will also sit before hand so I can drain off sediment and water, but this might work good as the oil will flow slow through this.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 10:46 PM
  #12  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
It's hard to see here it's a terrible picture, but this was an experiment where I crudely vented the furnace chimney exhaust up to a heat exchanger (old bus heater) and sucked the exhaust through it with a normal 84cfm bathroom fan and vented it outside using flexible pipe.
the point of the experiment was to prove or disprove if the heat exchanger could flow enough exhaust and coolant to let the furnace run and cool the exhaust enough to use light gauge vent pipe or even plastic, while capturing the waste heat into the hydronic system.
The experiment was a success! The fan kept enough draft to keep things running smooth. The exhaust temperature after the heat exchanger and fan was only 10 degrees warmer than the coolant leaving the heat exchanger. However, there are problems with this idea. First of all, a bathroom fan isn't rated for any elevated temperature, so to do this properly you would need a draft vent fan which is 300 bucks or more but meant for high temperatures.
also, a heat exchanger like this would be really hard to clean if it got built up with oil or dirt. If the burner ran perfect and lit instantly every time it would be fine, but theres always a little smoke when it fires up, plus there could be humidity and particulates in the gases that might clog it up eventually.


This is the little heat exchanger used in the experiment, yes the hoses are taped on that is how crude this was done.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2019 | 11:14 PM
  #13  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
So now I'm waiting for thermostats to come in mail, and ceramic wool to insulate the combustion chamber. The ceramic acts as a refractory and keeps the combustion hot and clean.
 
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2019 | 04:08 AM
  #14  
zrxy's Avatar
zrxy
Lead Driver
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Community Builder
Liked
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 7,807
Likes: 66
From: My Castle
Day-um that's sum skills right there, send some of that heat to N.J. please...
That's a lot of sweating
 
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2019 | 08:17 AM
  #15  
parkland's Avatar
parkland
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
Originally Posted by zrxy
Day-um that's sum skills right there, send some of that heat to N.J. please...
That's a lot of sweating
its all been a lot of work actuallactually very annoying finding parts. Yesterday I drove 1.5 hours to home depot to but ceramic wool and they say it's only online not in store 🤬
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:54 AM.

story-0
10 Ways Ford is LOSING to the Competition

Slideshow: 10 ways Ford is losing to the competition

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-15 09:52:01


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 6 Best Deals Available on New Fords & Lincolns Right Now

Some great targets in today's expensive world.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-15 09:35:19


VIEW MORE
story-2
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-4
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-6
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-9
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE