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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dirthawg
https://parts.autonationfordwhitebea...MzWi05QjI0Ni1C

That is a discounted price, most dealers will charge more.



The disaster prevention kit does nothing to extend the life of the HPFP. It only protects the injectors and rails and whatever components that receive fuel after the HPFP. Only way to extend the life of the pump is to be sure it's well lubricated with some type of fuel additive.
And not recirculate anything abrasive through it.

I've read reports that Disaster happens to as many as 1 out of 100 trucks. Pretty low percentage. But there are a lot of trucks out there and I've hit boxcars on the craps table
 
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 08:29 PM
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All this DPK kit talk is great and the idea is great, but my understanding of it while in their early years is they only prevent one type of failure, not both failures that occur in the CP4.2, please correct me if I’m wrong, it is why I was not really for them due to this
 
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Old Nov 15, 2019 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bobcat67
All this DPK kit talk is great and the idea is great, but my understanding of it while in their early years is they only prevent one type of failure, not both failures that occur in the CP4.2, please correct me if I’m wrong, it is why I was not really for them due to this

Being a Newbie, I do not know what you mean by both types of failures. Please explain.

From what I have gathered the DPK keeps the unfiltered fuel from going back through the Pump. So hopefully any small particles are caught in the filters before they are run back through.

It also protects The rest of the fuel system from damage.

I've read reports that Disaster happens to as many as 1 out of 100 trucks. Pretty low percentage. But there are a lot of trucks out there and I've hit boxcars on the craps table

Coupled with the Good fuel filters, to remove water and air. I believe you have severely reduced most of the causes for failure.

Running a lubricity additive has been a given since they came out with the new fuel. I've been running B-11 since the 1990's sometime - when it was available to be delivered to the house.

I order B-11 Premium diesel.I have a water trap filter and a 2 micron filter on my storage tank

I always wonder why Schaefer's is never included in the lubricity additives tests. It seems pretty popular in this area. A lot of owner operators swear by it.

When I buy at a station, I always try to add some lube. White or gray Power Service, Standyne, Hot Shot, Schaeffer's, Ashless 2 stroke oil, OptiLube

OptiLube, Standyne and Schaeffer's are my go to's. I usually end up with Power Service - Just because I don't get out much and forget to be prepared when traveling

https://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/a...-lube-xpd.html

https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com...e.13817/page-2

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/2484707-post27.html

RESULTS
In Order Of Performance:
1) 2% REG SoyPower bio-diesel
HFRR 221, 415 micron improvement.
50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel
66.56 oz. of 100% biodiesel per 26 gallons of diesel fuel
Price: market value
2) Opti-Lube XPD
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Cetane Improver, Demulsifier
HFRR 317, 319 micron improvement.
256:1 ratio
13 oz/tank
$4.35/tank
3) FPPF RV, Bus, SUV Diesel/Gas Fuel Treatment
Gas and Diesel
Cetane improver, Emulsifier
HFRR 439, 197 micron improvement
640:1 ratio
5.2 oz/tank
$2.60/tank
4) Opti-Lube Summer Blend
Multi-purpose
Demulsifier
HFRR 447, 189 micron improvement
3000:1 ratio
1.11 oz/tank
$0.68/tank
5) Opti-Lube Winter Blend
Muti-purpose + anti-gel
Cetane improver
HFRR 461, 175 micron improvement
512:1 ratio
6.5 oz/tank
$3.65/tank
Copyright© The Diesel Place & A. D. Spicer - 6 - August, 2007
6) Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Cetane improver, Emulsifier, bio-diesel compatible
HFRR 470, 166 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.87/tank
7) Super Tech Outboard 2-Cycle TC-W3 Engine Oil
Unconventional
(Not ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 or newer systems)
HFRR 474, 162 micron improvement
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
$1.09/tank
8) Stanadyne Lubricity Formula
Lubricity Only
Demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 479, 157 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.00/tank
9) Amsoil Diesel Concentrate
Multi-purpose
Demulsifier, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 488, 148 micron improvement
640:1 ratio
5.2 oz/tank
$2.16/tank
10) Power Service Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost
Multi-purpose
Cetane improver, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 575, 61 micron improvement
400:1 ratio
8.32 oz/tank
$1.58/tank
Copyright© The Diesel Place & A. D. Spicer - 7 - August, 2007
11) Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner
Multi-purpose
Alcohol free
HFRR 586, 50 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.36/tank
12) Stanadyne Performance Formula
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Cetane improver, Demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 603, 33 micron improvement
480:1 ratio
6.9 oz/tank
$4.35/tank
13) Used Motor Oil, Shell Rotella T 15W-40, 5,000 miles used.
Unconventional
(Not ULSD compliant, may damage systems)
HFRR 634, 2 micron improvement (statistically insignificant change)
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
price: $0.00
14) Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant
Gas or Diesel
HFRR 641, 5 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant
change)
427:1 ratio
7.8 oz/tank
$2.65/tank
15) B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan Biotech
Multi-purpose, canola oil based additive
HFRR 644, 8 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant
change)
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$2.67/tank
Copyright© The Diesel Place & A. D. Spicer - 8 - August, 2007
16) FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Emulsifier, alcohol free
HFRR 675, 39 microns worse than baseline fuel
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.12/tank
17) Marvel Mystery Oil
Gas, Oil and Diesel fuel additive (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage
2007 and newer systems)
HFRR 678, 42 microns worse than baseline fuel.
320:1 ratio
10.4 oz/tank
$3.22/tank
18) ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty/Marine Diesel Fuel Additive
Multi-purpose
Cetane improver, Emulsifier, alcohol free
HFRR 696, 60 microns worse than baseline fuel
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$2.38/tank
19) Primrose Power Blend 2003
Multi-purpose
Cetane boost, bio-diesel compatible, Emulsifier
HFRR 711, 75 microns worse than baseline
1066:1 ratio
3.12 oz/tank
$1.39/tank
CONCLUSIONS:
Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an
HFRR score of 460 or better. This meets the strictest requirements
requested by the Engine Manufacturers Association.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2019 | 09:00 AM
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Is there not a filter before the pump than another one after? If that is the case than how would unfiltered fuel go through the pump?
With all these problems with owning a diesel truck we should all sell these before they explode.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2019 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dirthawg
https://parts.autonationfordwhitebea...MzWi05QjI0Ni1C

That is a discounted price, most dealers will charge more.



The disaster prevention kit does nothing to extend the life of the HPFP. It only protects the injectors and rails and whatever components that receive fuel after the HPFP. Only way to extend the life of the pump is to be sure it's well lubricated with some type of fuel additive.

I have heard several times over the years that merely installing that kit does not remove enough contaminates from the system and can be the cause of recurrence. The shops that do it right do more cleaning and/or replacing.

I would not have bought a CP4 if the DPK was not available.

We were actually only looking for a low mileage , rust free, 2007 LBZ . Got frustrated looking and bought the next truck we saw. The banker sent us the truck and said it was priced out the door, lower than their loan value
 
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Old Nov 15, 2019 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bone
Is there not a filter before the pump than another one after? If that is the case than how would unfiltered fuel go through the pump?
With all these problems with owning a diesel truck we should all sell these before they explode.
From what I understand the OEM system does not return to the tank. The return connects to the wrong side of the filter. So whatever miniscule wear particles are immediately reintroduced to the High Pressure Pump.

This is what the DPK eliminates.

We have had just about all diesel vehicles since the 1990's and have logged over 2 million miles combined. Mostly problem free miles. Except the 2006 Jeep CRD - that's been a wallet eating nightmare. But most of the Jeep's issues are electrical and expensive timing belt maintenance
 
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Old Nov 15, 2019 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jrsavoie
Being a Newbie, I do not know what you mean by both types of failures. Please explain.

From what I have gathered the DPK keeps the unfiltered fuel from going back through the Pump. So hopefully any small particles are caught in the filters before they are run back through.

It also protects The rest of the fuel system from damage.

Coupled with the Good fuel filters, to remove water and air. I believe you have severely reduced most of the causes for failure.

Running a lubricity additive has been a given since they came out with the new fuel. I've been running B-11 since the 1990's sometime - when it was available to be delivered to the house.

I order B-11 Premium diesel.

I always wonder why Schaefer's is never included in the lubricity additives tests. It seems pretty popular in this area. A lot of owner operators swear by it.

When I buy at a station, I always try to add some lube. White or gray Power Service, Standyne, Hot Shot, Schaeffer's, Ashless 2 stroke oil, OptiLube

OptiLube, Standyne and Schaeffer's are my go to's. I usually end up with Power Service - Just because I don't get out much and forget to be prepared when traveling

https://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/a...-lube-xpd.html

https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com...e.13817/page-2

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/2484707-post27.html

RESULTS
In Order Of Performance:
1) 2% REG SoyPower bio-diesel
HFRR 221, 415 micron improvement.
50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel
66.56 oz. of 100% biodiesel per 26 gallons of diesel fuel
Price: market value
2) Opti-Lube XPD
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Cetane Improver, Demulsifier
HFRR 317, 319 micron improvement.
256:1 ratio
13 oz/tank
$4.35/tank
3) FPPF RV, Bus, SUV Diesel/Gas Fuel Treatment
Gas and Diesel
Cetane improver, Emulsifier
HFRR 439, 197 micron improvement
640:1 ratio
5.2 oz/tank
$2.60/tank
4) Opti-Lube Summer Blend
Multi-purpose
Demulsifier
HFRR 447, 189 micron improvement
3000:1 ratio
1.11 oz/tank
$0.68/tank
5) Opti-Lube Winter Blend
Muti-purpose + anti-gel
Cetane improver
HFRR 461, 175 micron improvement
512:1 ratio
6.5 oz/tank
$3.65/tank
Copyright© The Diesel Place & A. D. Spicer - 6 - August, 2007
6) Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Cetane improver, Emulsifier, bio-diesel compatible
HFRR 470, 166 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.87/tank
7) Super Tech Outboard 2-Cycle TC-W3 Engine Oil
Unconventional
(Not ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 or newer systems)
HFRR 474, 162 micron improvement
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
$1.09/tank
8) Stanadyne Lubricity Formula
Lubricity Only
Demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 479, 157 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.00/tank
9) Amsoil Diesel Concentrate
Multi-purpose
Demulsifier, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 488, 148 micron improvement
640:1 ratio
5.2 oz/tank
$2.16/tank
10) Power Service Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost
Multi-purpose
Cetane improver, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 575, 61 micron improvement
400:1 ratio
8.32 oz/tank
$1.58/tank
Copyright© The Diesel Place & A. D. Spicer - 7 - August, 2007
11) Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner
Multi-purpose
Alcohol free
HFRR 586, 50 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.36/tank
12) Stanadyne Performance Formula
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Cetane improver, Demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 603, 33 micron improvement
480:1 ratio
6.9 oz/tank
$4.35/tank
13) Used Motor Oil, Shell Rotella T 15W-40, 5,000 miles used.
Unconventional
(Not ULSD compliant, may damage systems)
HFRR 634, 2 micron improvement (statistically insignificant change)
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
price: $0.00
14) Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant
Gas or Diesel
HFRR 641, 5 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant
change)
427:1 ratio
7.8 oz/tank
$2.65/tank
15) B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan Biotech
Multi-purpose, canola oil based additive
HFRR 644, 8 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant
change)
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$2.67/tank
Copyright© The Diesel Place & A. D. Spicer - 8 - August, 2007
16) FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Emulsifier, alcohol free
HFRR 675, 39 microns worse than baseline fuel
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.12/tank
17) Marvel Mystery Oil
Gas, Oil and Diesel fuel additive (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage
2007 and newer systems)
HFRR 678, 42 microns worse than baseline fuel.
320:1 ratio
10.4 oz/tank
$3.22/tank
18) ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty/Marine Diesel Fuel Additive
Multi-purpose
Cetane improver, Emulsifier, alcohol free
HFRR 696, 60 microns worse than baseline fuel
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$2.38/tank
19) Primrose Power Blend 2003
Multi-purpose
Cetane boost, bio-diesel compatible, Emulsifier
HFRR 711, 75 microns worse than baseline
1066:1 ratio
3.12 oz/tank
$1.39/tank
CONCLUSIONS:
Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an
HFRR score of 460 or better. This meets the strictest requirements
requested by the Engine Manufacturers Association.
Isn't that that old link from some years back that was on an GM forum? If so I have seen it. I also said the same about K100.
 
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Okay I saw this article from a search on Bing about the Bosch CP4.2 in Diesel World June 2019. I had to buy the June 2019 mag because I wanted to read the whole article. I tried sharing the pages with the forum here but I had to take screen shots in order to post here.

























I did this on my phone so i could do screen shots. Let me know if you guys can read it. Hopefully they are in order. Enjoy...
 

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Okay I saw this article from a search on Bing about the Bosch CP4.2 in Diesel World June 2019. I had to buy the June 2019 mag because I wanted to read the whole article. I tried sharing the pages with the forum here but I had to take screen shots in order to post here.

























I did this on my phone so i could do screen shots. Let me know if you guys can read it. Hopefully they are in order. Enjoy...
Thanks for sharing that article, reps coming your way!
 
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Originally Posted by dirthawg
Thanks for sharing that article, reps coming your way!
You're welcome. What's 6 bucks between friends?

Curiosity was too much for me. I had to do it.
 
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You're welcome. What's 6 bucks between friends?

Curiosity was too much for me. I had to do it.
If you are ever in my neck of the woods lunch is in me!
 
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Isn't that that old link from some years back that was on an GM forum? If so I have seen it. I also said the same about K100.
Yes, it is. I haven't found a recent independent test. I'm sure the results could have changed
 
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Originally Posted by Overkill2
You're welcome. What's 6 bucks between friends?

Curiosity was too much for me. I had to do it.
I can not read the article. I do not know how to enlarge it on a tablet
 
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I can not read the article. I do not know how to enlarge it on a tablet
I read it on my phone. Tap each image then pinch to zoom.

Dave, I can turn those images into a PDF, if your interested shoot me a PM.
 
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Originally Posted by dirthawg
I read it on my phone. Tap each image then pinch to zoom.

Dave, I can turn those images into a PDF, if your interested shoot me a PM.
I have a flip phone. LOL

I found this: https://pocketmags.com/us/diesel-wor...he-cp4-2-fails
 
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