Amen to that. I'd rather OVERKILL my maintenance to try to prevent a problem rather than think it won't happen to me IMHO. I don't have that kind of luck. I believe in Mr Murphy when he said what can go wrong, will. I don't carry concealed every time I leave my house and think something will happen. But I'm prepared in case it does. It's the "have and not need rather than need and not have."

Opinions vary here no doubt. Some have never had problems at all. Is it luck of the draw? Who knows... But some have had problems. I don't know what to think when it comes to how many this has happened to as not all Ford Powerstroke owners belong to forums.

For me personally, it's about that it COULD happen. That's why I run additive every tank. That's why I want one of these systems. That's why I will put in a DPK. I'm not stressing about it, I just want to keep the odds low for it happening and I'll keep racking up the miles. At 49,500 miles with just under 3 years of ownership.

 

lots of factors on why some groups never have problems and other have scattered problems.

speculation

that northern climates are more prone due to condensation which attributes to water, gelling which attributes to fuel starvation

that some areas incorporate B5 as a fuel standard and may or may not publish this at the dispensing pumps...b5 has superior fuel lube moreso that diesel #2 and any lube product.

maint sure...got to change the filters to prevent fuel starvation and got to drain that fuel seperater often...best to drain after it sits over night than to drain right after parking


lift pump failures will cuase fuel starvation and a lift pump failure is really a bell curve item...10000 follks will have a lift pump and a fragement of that will have a mechanical lift pump failure of some type...cuasing fuel starvation...resulting in 0 lube to high pressure fuel pump...resulting in metal fragments into injector path ways.

safe to say that this is a new problem because prior to 2008 , high pressure fuel pumps and injectors were oil driven...the fuel driven pump is a 2008 and later concept for ford super duties.

 

Hey dirt, do you have a link for that... About engineers wanting a more robust fuel pump?

 

I'd have to poke around for the internal emails. They were listed within the class action lawsuit papers against Ford and Bosch.

 

No big deal. Just wondering...

 

A quick search through one of the class action papers I found this:

15 See also March 7, 2011 Bosch submission to NHTSA in response to Inquiry No. INRDEA11003,
document entitled, “INRD-EA11003-59347P.pdf,” at 21 (Mar. 31, 2008 email from
Volkswagen to Bosch re: “Radio: Drivetrain damage failure US07 (Jetta),” in which the parties
are discussing an HPFP failure in a 2007 Jetta and the Volkswagen representative frustratedly
states, “Can you (panel of experts) explain to us how the failure mechanism was after this
mileage? . . . . We will certainly not accept a failure because of fuel quality! . . . . We also see a
big risk here for our BIN5 pump, which has to manage with the same fuel in USA”); May 2012
Bosch submission to NHTSA in response to Inquiry No. INRD-EA11003, document entitled,
“INRD-EA11003-59334P.pdf,” at 9–10 (Jul. 4, 2008 email from Audi to Bosch re: “CP4 BIN5
3rd and 4th failure in USA,” analyzing root cause of CP4 field failures and positing, “Why is it
that EC pumps do not fail? Because of a different fuel?”); id. at 13–14 (Jul. 11, 2008 email
between Audi and Bosch representatives re: “W19 BIN5 pump failure” in which Audi writes,
“For the zero error meeting in FeP on Tuesday we expect the information discussed at the error
meeting on endurance testing of fuels with ‘poor lubricity, containing water etc.’ and all failures,
drivetrain damage in all component, system and other endurance runs of Bosch and all
customers”); Jul. 27, 2012 Bosch submission to NHTSA in response to Inquiry No. INRDEA11003,
document entitled, “INRD-EA11003-59345P.pdf,” at 7 (emphasis added) (Jun. 30,
2009 email between Bosch and Audi representatives re: “ANS: HPP measures/ USE,” in which
the Audi representative writes, “I don’t think you’re reading my mails anymore! Please look at
the failure curves specifically, then you’ll see that we only have a problem in certain
markets[.] . . . Depending on how poor the fuel currently on the market is”); id. (“I’d prefer to
have a more robust pump”).

An Audi Rep made that comment. Maybe my memory is slipping?

Here is the whole document if anyone wants to read it.

 

Thanks dirt. Appreciate the effort.
If this is indeed true, that there are no failures in the EU, then yes it is our cleaner, lower lubricity fuel. I hear that EU fuel is somewhat dirtier but has a higher lubrication quality than ours.

What else makes it tough here in the US is every state is different. So the guys saying that "no one here including me" had no failures might have better fuel to access due to their state's standards. I was happy to hear that the fuel I buy may or does contain either B2 or B5. That's why I use additive. I don't trust the fuel and I'm a fan of preventative maintenance; OVERKILL2...

 

Idk. If thats the thinking then there are a million other things in your daily life that COULD potentially cost you thousands that you could do some preventative disaster kit on. Its worrying about something that will prolly never happen. You could get struck by lightning and in fact prolly a better chance of that happening. Stay inside! I have too many more important things to worry about. Trucks hpfp isnt one of them. Just drive the truck. Forums will worry you to death about everything.

 

I think if we were that worried or anxious about this problem, we wouldn't drive our trucks because the anxiety would be too much. If I was so worried about things like life in general, I sure wouldn't be a police officer. And I sure as heck wouldn't carry, GASP... a concealed handgun. It's about being ready for something that may happen. That's all. It's a mindset.

I understand that other people don't agree with this. I don't want to be that guy who posts on here that his HPFP went out over 100k miles plus, then have someone saying, "well maybe you'll buy the 20 year bumper to bumper next time."

Not everyone here will understand this mindset. That's okay. I'm not here to change someone's opinion, I'm just sharing what I do, what I think and what I want to do. I also hear some people get a slight bump in mileage from mounting and using an Air fuel separation filter pump. I believe in the concept of removing air to give the HPFP just pure fuel.

Use what works or feels good to you.

 

Like i said before, it isn't keeping me up at night. You're right there are a ton of other things in life that can potentially cost me thousands. I weigh those things and decide if i want to insure against them or let it ride. For me, a pump with better filtration is something i have always believed in, supply my motor with the best fuel i can. Getting struck by lightening? I don't care, most likely i wont live through that and i have life insurance for my family. If i do live through that i have health insurance, kinda proves my point. If its something that is important to you, you would probably do what it takes to insure that it doesn't cost you IMO.


Exactly, I would rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. That goes for my than my truck, cash on hand, concealed carry, a small storage of food and water (nothing extravagant). These things make me feel better about my situation and better about keeping myself and my family prepared. At the end of the day i like to spend money on my truck and make modifications that i think will help the longevity of it. I HATE the throw away and replace society i am raising my kids in and am doing my best to keep mine and their waste to a minimum.

 

More great points. Preach brother. Nothing wrong with being prepared and trying to extend the life of your truck.

 

Have a FASS on my 2014, it's protecting a CP4.2 and a CP3, seems to do an adequate job and is reliable, a couple complaints I have, it's loud, and priming the pump sucks, haven't changed the filters since I put a fuel sump kit in, so this may have remedied that, I also swapped out the engine fuel filter in favor of the H&S Motorsports one, even though micron rating isn't as good as stock. No point paying for a set of fuel filters and only being able to use 1, plus the piping kit I have on the engine didn't really get along with the stock filter.

 

I can't believe people bought a truck and it keeps them up at night. Spending money on things they will never need. Food I eat food all the time. Guns sure in case you need to protect your family I get that. Maybe a gas truck would have been a better decision for most. Would have saved them $8,000

 

Bone, you have to stop projecting your POV into other people's minds. Stop telling people how to spend their money. But I get it, it's a free country...but I don't stay up at night. I don't agree with the other view here of "don't worry...just drive the truck...it probably won't happen." That's just like telling someone who's walking on the streets of NYC or Chicago late night , "don't worry...walk with your head down...don't look around and be aware of your surroundings...nothing will happen to you because nothing happens to me..." If you don't agree here, fine. That's okay. But stop assuming what I or anyone else feels or thinks.

And about guns, because you brought it, for yet another brief hijack here...It's like the 1911, Sig Sauer or H&K guys...tell them you run Glock and they're like, "oh I see you drank the Kool Aide..." or call you a Glocktard.

I think that people need to be more concerned about WHAT they are doing rather than WHAT others are doing. To sum this up, I bought a diesel truck because I WANTED one, not because I actually NEEDED one. No one here is complaining about their decision to buy their own diesel truck with their own money. It seems the only people complaining here are the ones who disagree and think differently. Have a great day.

 

I've heard that or rather have read it about the FASS units. That they are noisy and hard to prime...