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Old Sep 4, 2019 | 03:21 PM
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I'm guessing the diaphragm in the EGR is shot and that's your vacuum leak
I doubt that is the core problem. The diaphragm would only leak when the EGR control solenoid is in the on position which only occurs during a few conditions, ie not puttering around town or stationary idling. When the control solenoid is in the off position it vents to atmosphere, ie a controlled vacuum leak.

Not to say you can't have a ruptured EGR diaphragm or that it wouldn't be a problem. Just that it wouldn't cause a high idle.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2019 | 03:23 PM
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I doubt that is the core problem. The diaphragm would only leak when the EGR control solenoid is in the on position which only occurs during a few conditions, ie not puttering around town or stationary idling. When the control solenoid is in the off position it vents to atmosphere, ie a controlled vacuum leak.

Not to say you can't have a ruptured EGR diaphragm or that it wouldn't be a problem. Just that it wouldn't cause a high idle.
would those conditions be cruising around 55 mph after about an hour or so? thats usually when i see the CEL start to flash a bit
 
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Old Sep 4, 2019 | 03:36 PM
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would those conditions be cruising around 55 mph after about an hour or so? thats usually when i see the CEL start to flash a bit
Yes, steady cruise is a condition when the EEC may decide to introduce EGR. However, the EEC commands the EGR valve to open by applying vacuum to the diaphragm via the EGR control solenoid. It checks to see that this is actually happening by watching for pintle movement via the EGR position sensor. If it doesn't move when the EEC commanded EGR gasses to be introduced then you get a code.

What you need to determine is if it is not moving because the diaphragm is ruptured in the EGR valve (not the most likely scenario) or if the vacuum signal is too weak or intermittent to move the diaphragm (given your symptoms a much more likely scenario, and it better fits an intermittent CEL activation) because of an up stream vacuum leak. It is also possible for the EGR valve to become frozen from carbon buildup.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2019 | 05:48 PM
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If your vacuum lines are original I would go ahead and replace them all. Even a smoke test may not show all leaks.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2019 | 07:14 PM
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This may be a dumb question, but where do i get new vacuum hose lines? i looked up some on rock auto and AZ, but only got specific ones. is there not a general tubing i can use and cut? i've never worked with the vacuum system before
 
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Old Sep 4, 2019 | 07:50 PM
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I use bulk rubber hose. I prefer Gates EEC/PCV/Fuel hose for vacuum lines. They make it in various sizes, which you will need. It is not rated for high pressure so it has "not for EFI" all over it, but it is perfect for under hood vacuum lines. Available from various places, box stores like Orielly's and online retailers. I have found that the Gates stuff lasts longer they anything else I have used.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2019 | 08:08 PM
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I used gates 5/32 from Rock Auto for most lines and bought the other ones from AZ. Can't remember the size.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2019 | 09:26 PM
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I used gates 5/32 from Rock Auto for most lines and bought the other ones from AZ. Can't remember the size.
how many feet should i order? is 5/32 the right diamter for the 5.0 302 v8?
 
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Old Sep 5, 2019 | 07:35 AM
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how many feet should i order? is 5/32 the right diamter for the 5.0 302 v8?
I think I bought about 25ft. It was cheap. Not sure what you need for the 302.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2019 | 08:09 AM
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ok. done a bit of research and thought i would share this post from another forum. it talks about a full replacement of vacuum lines for the 5,0 302 v8

Rubber Vacuum System Replacement (5.0\5.8 EFI) - Ford Truck Club Forum
 
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 09:59 AM
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ok. done a bit of research and thought i would share this post from another forum. it talks about a full replacement of vacuum lines for the 5,0 302 v8

Rubber Vacuum System Replacement (5.0\5.8 EFI) - Ford Truck Club Forum
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 11:43 AM
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Thanks VJSIMONE!
 
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