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Old Aug 18, 2019 | 12:45 PM
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A/C question

I know my a/c is not original, but is from that era. Can anyone tell me what would have been used or what can be added now to kick the idle up when running the a/c. In the past, I've adjusted the idle ever so slightly to compensate. Was wondering what would be more correct.

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Old Aug 18, 2019 | 12:47 PM
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The aftermarket companies should have an electric kick up solinoid that you can wire to the compressor feed so when the compressor kicks on it steps the idle up.

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Old Aug 19, 2019 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AZSCAWPION
I know my a/c is not original, but is from that era. Can anyone tell me what would have been used or what can be added now to kick the idle up when running the a/c. In the past, I've adjusted the idle ever so slightly to compensate. Was wondering what would be more correct.

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Without typing a book you need something like this.
Ford used a solenoid like this one, wired into the compressor clutch circuit. You will have to find or make a bracket to mount it if your carburetor doesn't have one already.

 
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Old Aug 19, 2019 | 07:39 AM
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Thanks to both for the info.
So went and dug out the original 2bbl carb that was on my truck when I bought it. Low and behold, there's the bracket. Never gave it any thought. Doh! Looks like the bracket for the holley was there all along too. Now I know what to look for. Thanks for the diagram.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2019 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AZSCAWPION
So went and dug out the original 2bbl carb that was on my truck when I bought it. Low and behold, there's the bracket.
Original 2100 series 2V would not have had an electric solenoid. It would have had a dashpot (9B549 in pic)...but only with A/T

With M/T .. there was nothing.
 
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Original 2100 series 2V would not have had an electric solenoid. It would have had a dashpot (9B549 in pic)...but only with A/T

With M/T .. there was nothing.
Well then, just to be clear, the original "to me" carb has the bracket. Interestingly, it also has a dashpot. Not for the A/C though



 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Original 2100 series 2V would not have had an electric solenoid. It would have had a dashpot (9B549 in pic)...but only with A/T

With M/T .. there was nothing.
So, something similar to this? This is on my '70 Lincoln MarkIII
What actuates it? Nothing connected to this one.



 
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The spring holds the plunger outward at a certain distance and when the throttle linkage hits the plunger it takes a couple of seconds for it to depress during which it keeps the butterfly valves slightly open keeping the engine from stalling. The distance is adjusted using the threaded end and lock nut.
 
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The spring holds the plunger outward at a certain distance and when the throttle linkage hits the plunger it takes a couple of seconds for it to depress during which it keeps the butterfly valves slightly open keeping the engine from stalling. The distance is adjusted using the threaded end and lock nut.

So the one in my second picture would solve problems with sudden deceleration. For the a/c would it need to be vacuum actuated? Or would only 2 second stoplights allowed? Or readjusted for winter/summer?
 
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For the A/C system it is usually tied to the compressor clutch engaging. Since the compressor takes some engine power to run it when it is engaged it's not uncommon to have an electrically activated solenoid like in Crop Dusters picture.
 
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Originally Posted by AZSCAWPION
Well then, just to be clear, the original "to me" carb has the bracket. Interestingly, it also has a dashpot. Not for the A/C though



That's the bracket you need for what you're trying to do. A dashpot isn't going to cut it. Like Chad and crop Duster said, you need to bump up the idle when the A/C is on, so it has to be tied into that circuit.
 
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Originally Posted by TA455HO
For the A/C system it is usually tied to the compressor clutch engaging. Since the compressor takes some engine power to run it when it is engaged it's not uncommon to have an electrically activated solenoid like in Crop Dusters picture.

So, similar then to my first picture. One to help with sudden stop/decel, and a separate one for A/C? ND states that original for A/C wouldn't have been electric. Don't see a second one on my Lincoln though. And I believe that carb is original to both me and the car (51,000 miles actual).
 
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Originally Posted by 66v8baby
That's the bracket you need for what you're trying to do. A dashpot isn't going to cut it. Like Chad and crop Duster said, you need to bump up the idle when the A/C is on, so it has to be tied into that circuit.

That's what I'm figgering. Whether original was electric or not, probably what I will go for.
Always looking to learn though.
 
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Originally Posted by AZSCAWPION
So, similar then to my first picture. One to help with sudden stop/decel, and a separate one for A/C? ND states that original for A/C wouldn't have been electric. Don't see a second one on my Lincoln though. And I believe that carb is original to both me and the car (51,000 miles actual).
I'll let ND interpret but I think what he said was the original 2100 carbs wouldn't have had an electric solenoid. The anti-stall dashpot did come on some trucks that were originally automatic transmissions (A/T). Not A/C. These trucks didn't come with factory A/C, only dealer installed A/C, so the carburetors were not set up for it originally.
 
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Originally Posted by AZSCAWPION
Well then, just to be clear, the original "to me" carb has the bracket. Interestingly, it also has a dashpot. Not for the A/C though

But this is not the original carb because it has a automatic choke. All 1965/66's had a manual choke w/a choke cable.

And, no Lincoln had a 2100 series 2V, all were 4V's.
 
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