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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 08:43 PM
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Is it possible to get an electronic injection pump so I don't have to adjust anything when going from 5000 feet to sea level
 
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 09:30 PM
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6.5 General Motors engines had a setup like what you want. It may be possible to put your input shaft on the pump from a 6.5 GM engine, then hook up a few modules and sensors to make it work. I believe the GM pump uses a different gear mounting, but it looks kinda similar and might be the same. Hydraulic head and mount pattern for the pump body is the same for 6.9/7.3 IDI and 6.5/6.2. Look into it.

There probably isn't an easy solution though, either do a ton of custom work, or get a Powerstroke.
 

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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 09:32 PM
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What is there to adjust? Max fueling is controlled by your right foot. Are you talking about adjusting the fuel screw? Is this non turbo I assume?
 
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 10:05 PM
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at like 6000 feet effective oxygen is 16.6% so if tuned at sea level you will be over fueling ... so as others have said raise the right foot

on another note IF you have the E4OD there is a High Altitude PCM for it.
 
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ford390gashog
What is there to adjust? Max fueling is controlled by your right foot. Are you talking about adjusting the fuel screw? Is this non turbo I assume?
I think he’s talking about re-jetting....

Also I think the IPs on the GM idi engines spin the opposite way to ours, at least that’s what I was told.
 
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 90Ford73
I think he’s talking about re-jetting....

Also I think the IPs on the GM idi engines spin the opposite way to ours, at least that’s what I was told.
Correct, the ds4 was the electronic one (made by stanadyne) and its a pile of garbage. When cummins/dodge went to the vp44 (made by Bosch) they were also garbage.

They sold relocation kits for the brain on the ds4 because originally it's mounted on the side of the ip, although this helped there was still problems.

They also used a laser inside to read the fuel flow, so if you're running dyed diesel or a wmo biofuel that isn't clear or Amber it won't run.
 
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 10:37 PM
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Thank you everyone for your input hm I guess for travel I could look into a powerstroke in the worst case anyway what can I say I have a soft spot for the classics haha
 
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 11:12 PM
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I don't know why anyone would want to complicate their Life
BTW GM runs same direction as Ford, but I see the Humor in the joke

here is the manual I have on the DS pump IF you just want to learn about it. Hopefully I can attach a file.......

EDIT: oh well, it goes thru the motions of adding the PDF Manual but I don't see that it really attached it
 
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dieseloholic1
Is it possible to get an electronic injection pump so I don't have to adjust anything when going from 5000 feet to sea level
You dont have to adjust anything now. Theres two basic steps forward would be: 1, if youre concerned about overfueling, install a pyrometer and lift out of the throttle some if it gets too high; 2, turn the pump down some. Bear in mind, turning down the pump is literally the same end effect as lifting your foot a little, but its that way all the time.

The less basic step, and the clear and obvious winner is to install a turbo, turn the fuel up, then not care what elevation youre at.

FWIW, where i live in ID and OR, i travel between 2k and 4800' all the time, the difference is negligable. Now when i went to the coast however, was like she was runnin on nitrous all the time.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 07:58 AM
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I provide a link in this thread to a DB2 rebuild manual (post #8).

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...east-want.html
 
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dieseloholic1
Is it possible to get an electronic injection pump so I don't have to adjust anything when going from 5000 feet to sea level
I don't get your point. If non turboed, any diesel will puke out the black smoke at 5000 and above and put out less pulling power. Only difference will be no noticeable smoke at sea level and more power. Like someone asked you, and you didn't answer, if you have a turbo, the turbo crams in more air the higher the elevation so there again, sea level or 5000 feet performance is about the same.
When these engine first came out, there WAS a high elevation version and sea level version. The sea level version was rated at 195 HP if I remember right, the high altitude version is something like 185 or 165.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Olds64
I provide a link in this thread to a DB2 rebuild manual (post #8).

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...east-want.html
Thanx Olds64

I was trying to upload the DS Pump manual I have for the Electronic Controlled Pump.... forums wouldn't do it, maybe you have to be a paid member to upload Files, it could be my file size is too Large.

Anyway... I found a similar manual here just not as extensive... http://www.stanadyne.com/dealerporta...nual/99646.pdf
 
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 10:03 AM
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Thanks guys and mine is non turboed for now plan to get a turbo one of these days
 
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 10:33 AM
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turbo substitute ...... NOTE: the choking Hazard is when the Victim catches up with you


 
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 11:03 AM
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Oh yeah! That's good for 20-30 HP!
 
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