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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 09:31 AM
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That would be good but my point above is that even the OE source may not be selling them the top tier quality. Then again they might, who knows.
Exactly, after 4 failed Motorcraft thermostats in as many years I put Stant in and it lasted 2 years, trying a Gates now.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 09:46 AM
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I’m having the same issue with Motorcraft LS thermostats.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 12:27 PM
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Plastics aren't always the same

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Plastic is one of the hardest materials to evaluate the quality in. As plastic ages, they pretty much all get brittle and degrade in appearance (translucent materials become cloudy). Two materials can look identical, but have great differences in some very important characteristics and properties. My former employment was with a company that sold plastic to the automotive industry (among others). It was expensive material. Quality was normally top tier, but when it wasn't (all production lines can drift in quality as instrumentation and machinery age and wear), it was sold to the aftermarket if possible. Thermal stability was one parameter that was important. Heat, oxygen exposure, and UV light can cause degradation. There is no doubt that the lower quality material was being sold to companies that made aftermarket automotive parts. Physical appearance was not a way to distinguish between top quality and second tier quality (although when pigments were added to the material for coloring purposes, appearance was tightly controlled). The quality of the product had to be determined through analysis and measurements. I don't know what material is used in making the Dorman product. That isn't "material" in my choice, I am prejudiced against them in general. IMO success is determined in years on this type of product. I expect AT LEAST 10 years of life in stability and appearance. Usually the OEM product delivers this. As in all things, there are exceptions.

For the benefit of the 6.0L community, aftermarket products have to be tried so we can have cheaper alternatives. I just hope a large percentage of the people using aftermarket products post up their results (ie report when/if it fails AND report every 2 or 3 several years how it is doing). Doesn't matter if it is degas bottles, radiators, or hpops!
I worked in the plastics industry for 40 years. No, not all plastic resins are the same. The big companies that do petroleum products sell the good stuff for a premium price. The off brands buy the second grade stuff. There is no way for an end user to tell the difference. It can look exactly the same, it can process more or less than the same, but physical properties may be just a bit off for the lower grade plastics. You'd really need to be a chemist with some very specific test equipment to tell the difference. We'd buy some of the cheaper stuff from time to time (a few cents per pound at millions of pounds adds up) and our operators would suffer for it. Anyway, FOMOCO should have the good stuff, at least I hope. I don't have a feel for what the specifications are for the degas bottle plastics so we're really at the mercy of the producer. I'd think that there wouldn't be too many locations in the world that could produce these things so from the manufacturing standpoint there could be quite a bit of difference. Such is manufacturing life.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 01:13 PM
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Our manufacturing is not only here in the U.S, but in China also, for years. What would be the odds that China hasn't figured out (kind way of stating it) the technology and has begun production on their own??
 
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