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Old May 14, 2019 | 04:14 PM
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A/C Question ?? Need your input

I went by the local auto parts store and bought some A/C in a can for my Excursion, I have to add some before every summer ..Turned the A/C on Max followed the directions on the back of the can , when the compressor would kick on the needle would go to 40psi , when compressor kick off go back down to 20psi ..it took the whole can but it still doesn’t seem very cold in the Excursion , should I add another can ?
 
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Old May 14, 2019 | 07:22 PM
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Yes.

Leaks don’t ever fix themselves

It may take a lot more to make it work. I think a total system front and rear is over 4 pounds of refrigerant. You may not have to add that much but in my experience that Ford system will operate when it is in the green area on those cheap gauges you got with the can.

If you get some dye and a UV flashlight you can look for your own leaks. Then when it does fail completely you can help advise the repair guy on what needs doing.

Mine worked like yours but leaked out in a week. The compressor itself was leaking. And then a year later that remanufactured compressor leaked where the 2 halves bolted together

Because the shop I used was a NAPA certified repair shop they covered the warranty for the part and the labor. It was $700 the first time to be repaired
 
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Old May 14, 2019 | 07:53 PM
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How many times have you been adding Freon this way? At this point the system needs a set of gauges connected to both low and high ports for a full triage of system pressures. The system probably has excess moisture, and or non condensables in it, alternately if the dryer sees too much moisture, the desiccant pellets can swell causing a restriction, or the orifice strainer could be plugged. When the system charge gets low enough, and there is no low pressure cut off, the compressor suction can drop below atmospheric pressure or (0psi), and pull in atmospheric air if the leak is anywhere on the low side.
But It sounds like your description is reversed, I could realistically see the pressures dropping on a low charge to your 20 psi, and maybe 40 on the off cycle.
 
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Old May 14, 2019 | 08:46 PM
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Agree on take it to a shop.

Did you start with zero pressure on low side?

Or did it have some pressure left ?

Did it work last summer on just one can or are you one a week. ?

and FYI. Although r134 is better for environment than r12 it’s still not great to just keep “letting it go”

Usually a slow leak causes it to quit. Then the seals in pump dry and shrink while low And then the leak gets faster.
 
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Old May 15, 2019 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkelley
when compressor kick off go back down to 20psi
Since it's dropping down out of the green zone then yes, it needs more refrigerant.
 
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Old May 16, 2019 | 05:48 AM
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That doesn't make any sense, when the compressor cycles off, suction pressures rise above the running pressure due to the system starting to immediately equalize. The only thing that makes sense with the pressures stated is if maybe hes connected to the high side port. High side pressures rise during compressor operation, and lower during the off cycle.
 
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Old May 16, 2019 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 01__Excursion
That doesn't make any sense
It makes perfect sense because the reason the compressor is turning off is there isn't enough refrigerant on the low side to maintain enough pressure to keep the LPS from kicking out.
 
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Old May 16, 2019 | 01:39 PM
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"when the compressor would kick on the needle would go to 40psi , when compressor kick off go back down to 20psi"

The whole reason a compressor would turn off via a low pressure switch is when the pressure is too low, yes from a low charge, and the suction combined. Suction reduces the standing pressure on the low side. To have pressure rise on the suction side when running, then drop when off doesn't make any sense.
 
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Sounds like he either just reported the observation of the clutch backwards.
 
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Originally Posted by 01__Excursion
"when the compressor would kick on the needle would go to 40psi , when compressor kick off go back down to 20psi"
He simply wrote it down backwards, we know what he means.
 
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If you do the dye to look for leaks, Harbor Freight recently started carrying a cheap UV flashlight. $9

https://www.harborfreight.com/uv-bla...ght-63931.html

Not affiliated with HF, just a happy customer.

Jasonodsky
 
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Yeah, add some more. When your leak started it was probably leaking more slowly. The overall system takes way more than a can.

Then: Let us know how it went.
 
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