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Old Mar 22, 2019 | 12:27 PM
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2005 Excursion with late 2004 motor, 250,000 miles on the clock. My friend was low on fuel. Lost power and pulled to the side. He had a transmission code for a stuck solenoid(don’t remember which one ) that has been resolved with a fluid change. Has not been driven enough to see if that one will come back or not. Back at his house now. Super rough idle and codes as follows...p22849icp circuit range and p2288 is too high. Had cylinder contribution codes for a couple of cylinders that i cleared and they have not returned. What we have done...New Motorcraft ICP sensor and pigtail. Also,since low on fuel and no history of filter change i put new Racor filters in. Interestingly I did not get the normal diesel bath when changing the filters. Also the secondary filter bowl was empty of fuel. This led me to a fuel delivery problem. I removed the fuel return line and fuel supply line from the hfcm and ran hoses to a can of diesel. Filter bowl fills up quickly. I was hoping for a pump issue which this seems to eliminate. Still rough as heck idle. Rented a fuel pressure tester and with Koeo I have 65 pounds. With engine running it stays at 65 according to the pressure tester. Any and all suggestions welcome. Thank you.
Update. Just went out to check the codes and fired the truck and for the first time the idle smoothed out and sounded great!! Unfortunately or fortunately I pressed the accelerator and back comes the rough idle. A clue I hope.
 

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Old Mar 22, 2019 | 01:21 PM
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I usually never get a bath if I drain the water chamber first.

Out of fuel or low fuel with air pickup due to the icing valve in the fuel tank foot damaged would aerate the fuel system. So it may be there is still some air trapped in the fuel log within the head. Or the low fuel pressure and air damaged some injectors. It's hard to tell from a computer screen, but longer running may set a code or an uncompensated balance test with IDS. Hopefully, the cylinders with contribution codes were written down.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2019 | 01:28 PM
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I usually never get a bath if I drain the water chamber first.

Out of fuel or low fuel with air pickup due to the icing valve in the fuel tank foot damaged would aerate the fuel system. So it may be there is still some air trapped in the fuel log within the head. Or the low fuel pressure and air damaged some injectors. It's hard to tell from a computer screen, but longer running may set a code or an uncompensated balance test with IDS. Hopefully, the cylinders with contribution codes were written down.
Thanks Jack. Chris here. Cylinder 8 once and moved to cylinder 4. I don’t know if you saw my edit that I just had a great running truck for a minute until I touched the accelerator. This is with the fuel lines hooked back to tank with a 1/4 tank of fuel. Thanks.
 
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Hey Chris,

It's usually the 1/4 tank of fuel level if the icing valve is hurt or missing where the issue is. The short remedy is 1/2 tank of fuel or more, then if that was the cure the fuel level lowered and the tank dropped to change out the foot.

Idle uses such a small amount of fuel that air could take some time to purge, and of course, the purge isn't great on the injectors, but no recourse.
 
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Just added another 10 gallons of fuel. Tank at a smidge over half. Same scenario with a smooth great running truck touched the brake and the idle went down and back to terrible idle. Let it idle like that for what seemed like forever and it did not smooth out again. Still have the ICP codes(2284 and 2288) and the cylinder 8 contribution is back. Surprised there are not codes for all the injectors the way it runs when rough. Is it possible that it is still needing a higher fuel level? Also of note is no smoke of any color while this mess is going on.
 
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We ran some diagnostics. Here are some of the values...
KOEO/KOER
ICP .25 Volts / 3.1 Volts

We compared to a good running engine and only these one stood out as off. Which makes sense we are getting an ICP too high code. We had just changed the ICP sensor with a motorcraft ICP sensor and are still getting these high values. Is there any other reason why these would be so high other than a bad sensor?

Thanks!
 
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Old Mar 22, 2019 | 05:27 PM
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The ICP situation, others who follow who normally help with that would have a better answer.

One injector being cranky can make the motor not run well.
 
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Thanks for the video Smackdaddy. The truck is an hour away so this will be a drawn out deal. I will swap in my known good ICP sensor(should have done this first but sometimes you miss the obvious) and check the connector for voltage. I am leaning toward #8 injector especially with the high mileage and being originals I think. I wish I knew if a sticky injector would cause the ICP codes. All the injectors passed the click/buzz test by the way.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2019 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Brotherbillstruck
2005 Excursion with late 2004 motor, 250,000 miles on the clock. My friend was low on fuel. Lost power and pulled to the side. He had a transmission code for a stuck solenoid(don’t remember which one ) that has been resolved with a fluid change. Has not been driven enough to see if that one will come back or not. Back at his house now. Super rough idle and codes as follows...p22849icp circuit range and p2288 is too high. Had cylinder contribution codes for a couple of cylinders that i cleared and they have not returned. What we have done...New Motorcraft ICP sensor and pigtail. Also,since low on fuel and no history of filter change i put new Racor filters in. Interestingly I did not get the normal diesel bath when changing the filters. Also the secondary filter bowl was empty of fuel. This led me to a fuel delivery problem. I removed the fuel return line and fuel supply line from the hfcm and ran hoses to a can of diesel. Filter bowl fills up quickly. I was hoping for a pump issue which this seems to eliminate. Still rough as heck idle. Rented a fuel pressure tester and with Koeo I have 65 pounds. With engine running it stays at 65 according to the pressure tester. Any and all suggestions welcome. Thank you.
Update. Just went out to check the codes and fired the truck and for the first time the idle smoothed out and sounded great!! Unfortunately or fortunately I pressed the accelerator and back comes the rough idle. A clue I hope.
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We ran some diagnostics. Here are some of the values...
KOEO/KOER
ICP .25 Volts / 3.1 Volts

We compared to a good running engine and only these one stood out as off. Which makes sense we are getting an ICP too high code. We had just changed the ICP sensor with a motorcraft ICP sensor and are still getting these high values. Is there any other reason why these would be so high other than a bad sensor?

Thanks!
P2284 - ICP Sensor Circuit - Range/Performance. ICP desired does not equal ICP signal, causing the system to use the default inferred ICP value. This is the typical code you will get if you disconnect the ICP and try starting (which can mislead you in troubleshooting).

An injector won't cause a P2288 .......... ICP too HIGH - Engine off

Neither will it cause a P2289 (if you ever got this code) - ICP too HIGH. Default inferred ICP is being used. ICP is greater than 1161 psi. ICP signal ground, circuit open, defective sensor. Engine running.

Sounds like you have a couple of separate things going on, but since you said you tried a new ICP sensor twice and re-did wiring ......... I would ask - Are you sure you got the wiring correct on the connector?

What are you using for a code reader? I think you have at least one, maybe more, injector issue.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2019 | 08:37 AM
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Thanks Bismic. Using Forscan Lite for ios. We did get the 2288 ICP too high and 2284 ICP sensor circuit range. We only changed the sensor once. Sorry for the confusion. I was using an ipad with autocorrect on that I hate and had to proof read to correct its corrections. When this didnt help with the codes or rough running I then changed the pigtail. Next time I am out to the truck I will check voltages on the wiring although I think I matched it up correctly ,but the 2288 and 2284 codes remained. I agree about the injectors. #8 and # 4 popped up with #8 coming up twice now. So I guess an injector can stick and then be fine and stick again randomly which explains how it could smooth out nicely then go rough again. I did not think of it at the time but next I will swap in the ICP from my F350 to eliminate the sensor. Oh and we did unplug the ICP once while it was running so that might explain the 2284?? Thanks again
 
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Old Apr 3, 2019 | 03:38 PM
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Follow up. My buddy took the truck to Ford for a diagnostic. We didn't want to throw any more parts at it after the Icp sensor. Too many variables with the symptoms he was having. Cheapest $110.00 + shop fees that he has probably ever spent. Ford diagnosed the IPR valve ( calling it the fuel pressure regulator) which confused me a bit. They said it was causing the icp codes we had. Anyway about 2-1/2 hour job today as a first time replacing the IPR and she fired right off and all is good again. We did check the IPR duty cycle previously and it didnt stand out. Thanks for the help.
 
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I don't see how a bad IPR valve would cause a high circuit code on an ICP sensor, when you were experiencing low power at the same time. Regardless, glad it is running.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2019 | 04:29 PM
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I don't see how a bad IPR valve would cause a high circuit code on an ICP sensor, when you were experiencing low power at the same time. Regardless, glad it is running.
Well if you are confused then I am more confused. I am relaying what the tech relayed to my friend. The IPR was changed and it now runs great and the ICP codes are gone? Glad its running too. He needs it to start a job.
 
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Always up for learning something new. Maybe the IPR stuck closed and you had a high ICP value, but it seems you wouldn't have low power. I'll file this one away to hopefully remember ..... !
 
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