Notices
General NON-Automotive Conversation No Political, Sexual or Religious topics please.

miracles

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 30, 2003 | 07:49 PM
  #1  
willowbilly3's Avatar
willowbilly3
Thread Starter
|
Post Fiend
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 8,209
Likes: 12
From: Black Hills of SD
miracles

Since threads about Christianity stir up the pot real well I pose a question.
How many of you know what was the first miracle of Jesus according to the Bible? And part two what do you make of it?
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2003 | 08:37 PM
  #2  
whistler's Avatar
whistler
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 448
Likes: 0
His conception?

My personal opinion of such an event--it is possible to get pregnant without ever having sexual intercourse.


Whistler
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2003 | 09:03 PM
  #3  
Bubba Shrimp's Avatar
Bubba Shrimp
Posting Guru
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,388
Likes: 0
From: Live Oak, FL
Turning water into wine at the wedding in Cana. Don't have a clue what the significance is but I can look it up.
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2003 | 09:05 PM
  #4  
Vanhecht's Avatar
Vanhecht
Elder User
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 794
Likes: 0
From: American by birth, TEXAN
a hint to bible thumpers that a little alcohol in your life is just what the saviour ordered...
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2003 | 10:43 PM
  #5  
splitmaster's Avatar
splitmaster
Senior User
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 104
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Originally posted by Bubba Shrimp
Turning water into wine at the wedding in Cana. Don't have a clue what the significance is but I can look it up.
Jewish custom is why he turned the water into wine. When a celebration comes forth wine is used. Now this is not the wine that we all think of today, because the Jews were fobidden against drunkeness. So the wine was actually fresh grape juice.

Another interesting point in this story is that Mary went to Jesus and addressed this problem to him. This implies that Jesus was throwing the party. Because Ancient Jewish custom states that the Head of the Household will address these issues.

Wonder what he was celebrating?
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2003 | 11:57 PM
  #6  
bigrigfixer's Avatar
bigrigfixer
The Pacifier
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,245
Likes: 7
From: Cloverdale, BC
Club FTE Silver Member

I'm not religious by no means, but I think that when Jesus turned water into wine, it happened at a wedding he was invited to. He wasn't the host. Mary went to him only (I think) because he was the only one who could do anything about the wine shortage.

I think the significance is that he'll help you out when you're in a bind.
 
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2003 | 01:47 AM
  #7  
willowbilly3's Avatar
willowbilly3
Thread Starter
|
Post Fiend
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 8,209
Likes: 12
From: Black Hills of SD
I think He was a guest too. The first pastor that I had told me it was grape juice and then we spent a whole afternoon looking up every instance in the Bible where the word wine is used. We were using a Strong's concordance that gives the original word in Hebrew, Aramic, Roman or whatever. Not one of those words excludes alcoholic beverage and only one use of the word in the New testament could have been non alcoholic, but it didn't apply to this passage. He was surprised. I have done this search again on my own and came up with the same conclusion.
The Bible definately warns against drunkenness, but nowhere does it say that total abstinence is the only accepted view. If Jesus made 180 gallons of wine at a party that had been going on for days already it would seem to indicate His position would be of some tolerance.
I agree with Vanhecht here and even Paul advised Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach.
Whistler, that is no big deal nowdays, women get impregnated everyday without intercourse. , but Mary's conception is still considered a miracle I guess.
As a Christian and a science buff I always have to wonder what is happening at the molecular level when these miracles occur. What would you see if you could watch it under a microscope?
 
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2003 | 09:40 AM
  #8  
whistler's Avatar
whistler
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 448
Likes: 0
I'm not talking about the miracles of modern science. It is possible to get pregant 'the old fashioned way' without having sex. Granted it is pretty rare, but it can and does happen.

At any rate, I take it I was wrong. Immaculate Conception was not the first miracle of Jesus--it was the first surrounding his personhood though. I guess I read too deep into your question.

Whistler
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Old Oct 1, 2003 | 10:26 AM
  #9  
Waxy's Avatar
Waxy
Postmaster
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,496
Likes: 0
From: Calgary Canada
Originally posted by splitmaster
Jewish custom is why he turned the water into wine. When a celebration comes forth wine is used. Now this is not the wine that we all think of today, because the Jews were fobidden against drunkeness. So the wine was actually fresh grape juice.
I was going to respond to this, but it seems that willowbilly3 has already done my work for me.

Waxy
 
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2003 | 10:43 AM
  #10  
carpe_diem's Avatar
carpe_diem
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,314
Likes: 35
IMO the world is governed by coincidence, chance, improbabilities, and perhaps even miracles.
 
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2003 | 11:12 AM
  #11  
Big Orn's Avatar
Big Orn
Post Fiend
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,643
Likes: 8
From: NE Texas
Water into wine - His first "human" miracle.
That means we can't count all that He did before He was born, right?

To me it means that the Old Covenant is passed and the New Covenant now rules
Also - as an individual - My spirit has now been renewed with the Holy Spirit.
Also - my thoughts of the natural can now be made to include the supernatural (in the Holy sense) feel things that are supernatural, see things that are supernatural. (That does not mean I am a prime candidate for the nut house.)

Also it means that my crusty, worn, vile, wretched life has been replaced with an abundant life that is fresh and new every day.
 
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2003 | 01:14 PM
  #12  
sinjin's Avatar
sinjin
Posting Guru
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,540
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles safe and warm
His first miracle was to completely disappear from age 12 to age 30.
 
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2003 | 01:19 PM
  #13  
Big Orn's Avatar
Big Orn
Post Fiend
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,643
Likes: 8
From: NE Texas
Originally posted by sinjin
His first miracle was to completely disappear from age 12 to age 30.


And that is the start of the mystery!!!


Good one!!!
 
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2003 | 02:27 PM
  #14  
true4.2's Avatar
true4.2
Postmaster
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,310
Likes: 0
From: Lufkin
He didn't comletely dissapear. It says that he preached in synogogues (I know that's miss-spelled) and worked as a carpenter before he started his 3 year ministry...I think.
 
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2003 | 02:32 PM
  #15  
true4.2's Avatar
true4.2
Postmaster
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,310
Likes: 0
From: Lufkin
First miracle on Earth - being born of a barren virgin mother.

I think it's a beautiful thing. God gave Mary a son while never having relations with her husband. That has to be his first miracle. How could you have a miracle on Earth if you weren't even born yet.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:09 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE