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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 10:40 PM
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Advice on the correct stall.....

Ok, I have a newly rebuilt 1970 302, 351W, heads 270H cam, shorty headers, 600 Holley 4B and a newly rebuilt C4. This is not going to be a race truck, just a cruiser. What RPM stall is the best match up?


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Old Mar 2, 2019 | 05:23 AM
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I would not go too steep. You need to keep in in the lower end of the power band of the cam. Go just over stock. 1800-2000? What gears in the back? You don't want it to be slipping badly as you cruise slowly in town. That build up heat in the converter, so even so make sure you have a nice cooler added.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2019 | 10:27 AM
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For snappy performance 2000-2200 range and 3.70ish gears depending on tire size. I'm sure you know already that the 270 needs some decent compression to support it.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2019 | 10:35 AM
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thanks everyone. I am at 10.1 compression
 
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Old Mar 3, 2019 | 10:58 AM
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thanks everyone. I am at 10.1 compression
Dynamic compression calculates to about 8.2 to 1. Keep it cool
 
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Old Mar 3, 2019 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JalopyJake
Dynamic compression calculates to about 8.2 to 1. Keep it cool
I replace the pistons with 20 over forged 10.1 compression

when I did the calculations it came to 10.1

I am new to this but I think I got it right
 
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Old Mar 3, 2019 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by BayStYat
I replace the pistons with 20 over forged 10.1 compression

when I did the calculations it came to 10.1

I am new to this but I think I got it right
Your at 10 to 1 STATIC compression which is what most think of as compression. So yes, you would simply say the engine is 10 to 1 compression when someone asks. Dynamic compression is calculated from static compression, cam timing events, etc. Rule of thumb is about 8.0 to 1 for good performance with iron heads with decent chamber design. Much over that and you get into detonation territory. Much under about 7.5 to 1 or so and you start getting anemic so to speak. Again just a rule of thumb as they're are a lot of variables that come into play with dynamic compression and resistance to detonation. seriously Read up on it sometime, it really gives some good insight on some of the whys?? of engine building and cam selection. There's a bunch of online calculators that you can play with and see how certain cams and static compressions affect dynamic compression.
NOTE: Larger cams typically decrease dynamic compression and smaller cams increase it. For instance generally don't put a 250 ADVERTISED duration cam in a 10 to 1 engine....it will probably detonate itself to death unless you make whacky compensations for it. Likewise you normally don't see 292 cam in a 8 to 1 engine.... as it will have very low useful compression and be a turd. This is why for optimal performance you need higher static compression ratios to support larger cams and you want to stick with smaller cams for stockish lower compression ratios. And... If you don't care about performance and just want the engine to sound like the intro to Van Halen's Hot For Teacher....well....I guess you'll have a cool sounding turd....
 
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Old Mar 3, 2019 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JalopyJake
Your at 10 to 1 STATIC compression which is what most think of as compression. So yes, you would simply say the engine is 10 to 1 compression when someone asks. Dynamic compression is calculated from static compression, cam timing events, etc. Rule of thumb is about 8.0 to 1 for good performance with iron heads with decent chamber design. Much over that and you get into detonation territory. Much under about 7.5 to 1 or so and you start getting anemic so to speak. Again just a rule of thumb as they're are a lot of variables that come into play with dynamic compression and resistance to detonation. seriously Read up on it sometime, it really gives some good insight on some of the whys?? of engine building and cam selection. There's a bunch of online calculators that you can play with and see how certain cams and static compressions affect dynamic compression.
NOTE: Larger cams typically decrease dynamic compression and smaller cams increase it. For instance generally don't put a 250 ADVERTISED duration cam in a 10 to 1 engine....it will probably detonate itself to death unless you make whacky compensations for it. Likewise you normally don't see 292 cam in a 8 to 1 engine.... as it will have very low useful compression and be a turd. This is why for optimal performance you need higher static compression ratios to support larger cams and you want to stick with smaller cams for stockish lower compression ratios. And... If you don't care about performance and just want the engine to sound like the intro to Van Halen's Hot For Teacher....well....I guess you'll have a cool sounding turd....
thanks for the info.
 
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