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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 02:28 PM
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if Ford wants to do something else with theirs, I'd like to see it power close. Like stated above, that split to me looks like an issue long term.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 02:35 PM
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pretty soon, the only way to get an honest tailgate will be on a mason dump body.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HRTKD
I don't see the new barn door style tailgate being all that impressive. The only advantage it provides is that you can reach a little further into the bed. Maybe I'm missing something.
Getting up to the bumper and being able to reach in versus reaching over the already high up tailgate would allow me to reach much more than a little further in. As for durability of design, I don't really see a lot of difference between the Ram tailgate and a station wagon tailgate of the '70s. Those tail gates opened like a door and dropped like a truck, plus they had a glass window inside. The worked exceedingly well. There is, however, something about how Ram builds their vehicles that allows them to get loose and rattly pretty quickly. I haven't looked at Chevy's tail gate other than what's seen on television. It looks like a very good design, but the rest of the truck doesn't measure up. Over time, the Ford tail gate step does move around to the point it doesn't fit quite right in the closed position, but it's not too bad.
The bumper cut outs that Chevy thinks are so wonderful, are handy for reaching into the bed, but worthless for actually climbing into and out of the bed, especially carrying a tool box or similar. Ford's stripper pole has Chevy's beat all hollow, too.
I think the fact that we spend so much time nitpicking grills, placards, steps, and ladders to death speaks volumes concerning the overall design and reliability of the Ford trucks. We are in a really good place.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GABAR
I don`t think Ford has to play the game because both RAM GM are following Ford.
After mocking Ford via Howie Long, GM finally came out with their version and as usual, RAM is last.
The barn door design of the RAM was done by Lincoln with the BLACKWOOD truck over 15 years ago.
A barn door design was used by FORD 20 years ago on the 1999 Excursion. Granted, it did not fold down like a conventional tailgate, but those doors sure made it easier to access the Excursion's rear interior space.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 03:29 PM
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I would welcome a barn door tailgate. It's a pain to load / unload a heavy skid with the tailgate in the way.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 04:57 PM
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I just use the step in either side of my bumper. One of the advantages of aftermarket. Never used the tailgate thingy -- afraid I will break it, seems pretty flimsy.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wrvond
Getting up to the bumper and being able to reach in versus reaching over the already high up tailgate would allow me to reach much more than a little further in. As for durability of design, I don't really see a lot of difference between the Ram tailgate and a station wagon tailgate of the '70s. Those tail gates opened like a door and dropped like a truck, plus they had a glass window inside. The worked exceedingly well. There is, however, something about how Ram builds their vehicles that allows them to get loose and rattly pretty quickly. I haven't looked at Chevy's tail gate other than what's seen on television. It looks like a very good design, but the rest of the truck doesn't measure up. Over time, the Ford tail gate step does move around to the point it doesn't fit quite right in the closed
I was going to say it reminds me of the old station wagons. I like the idea of not always having to reach over the tailgate, but that vertical split line would rub my OCD in all the wrong ways.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by blueglide
RAM is claiming the tailgate will hold 2000 pounds.
So you’ll have a functional tailgate with a truck that doesn’t work.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 06:51 PM
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So obvious. Ford sets the bar. Everyone plays catchup, but never nails it. Between GM and Ram, they can keep their crappy tailgates with Midwest winters. After a few years, they’ll be worthless. GM’s multi-fold Carpentersville rule approach will be the worst. It will be gone in 5 years, at best. Why can’t any of these manufacturers just admit someone else just kicked butt, and suck it up and copy the design while paying the price?
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 07:32 PM
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I can see me using the GM design for some things, like hooking up the fiver without having to drop the whole tailgate, but the Ram design would be fairly useless to me. Doesn’t move out of the way for the fiver, with that 60 side sticking out farther than a dropped tailgate. So you’d have to just drop like normal. Waste of the feature for that. And for bumper pull towing, it looks like you have to open the 60 to open the 40, so pretty good chance it would contact the tongue jack. Again, waste of a feature there.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaadk
I can see me using the GM design for some things, like hooking up the fiver without having to drop the whole tailgate, but the Ram design would be fairly useless to me. Doesn’t move out of the way for the fiver, with that 60 side sticking out farther than a dropped tailgate. So you’d have to just drop like normal. Waste of the feature for that. And for bumper pull towing, it looks like you have to open the 60 to open the 40, so pretty good chance it would contact the tongue jack. Again, waste of a feature there.
Lots of good points raised in that post. I'm not praising the GM or Fiat tailgates by any stretch of the imagination, and I've mentioned this before, but the remote-open tailgate on my KR is the most useless "convenience" I've ever come across.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 08:04 PM
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I'll wait until they offer the Water and Ice Dispenser option..........
Beer Tap!
yeah, that's it!
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by joninflorida
I don't buy a 70k truck based on the tailgate ladder. Buy I am not a marketing expert either. I ordered my 2019 6.7 Lariat and opted not to have the ladder option because it comes down from the rear, and is useless when I have a trailer hooked up which is the majority of the time I am getting in and out of the bed. Not to mention the 375.00 extra bucks. I opted for this 50.00 solution.

https://www.amazon.com/Beech-Lane-Pi...e+ladder&psc=1
I also have this, and so far it works great. I used my tailgate to get to my eaves to install some security cameras on my house, and I was up and down that little ladder many times over the weekend. I have a 2X2 piece of wood I use as my grab handle. I just stuff it in the rear bed stake hole, and voila! So far, it's well worth the $49.00 I paid for it.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 09:19 PM
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I think the baby boomers, which I am one, are driving all of this over the top catering to the near geriatric set. If I had a step gate, sadly I would for sure use it. For now though, I give thanks to the Lord every time I hoist my old fat *** into the bed unassisted, without a step. Use it or lose it fellas!
 
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Old Feb 8, 2019 | 07:01 AM
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Those aren't tailgates......
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This is a tailgate.......

 
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