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VIN Question

Did Ford use a truncated version of the truck VIN on the frame? There seems to be nothing original on the truck I'm working on. It's supposed to be an '82 F-100, but it looks like most of the body has been replaced. When I looked up the numbers cast into the engine it showed it was out of a '92. So I'm trying to figure out how Frankenstiened my truck is, found the number on the frame, but it's 11-digit.
 
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That number on the frame should be on the top of the right hand rail. Some say between shock tower to under the cab floor board and be seen with a mirror.
That number is the last numbers of the VIN and should match the sticker on the door opening and paperwork.

BTWotors & tranys do not have VIN on them.
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It looks like on the frame VIN they dropped the world Identifier, brake/GVWR, engine code and the check digit. It's 11 digits with an asterisk before and after. Or mine was actually swapped with one from '80 made in the same plant with Identical sequence numbers. Which actually feels more likely considering how weird my truck has been. As far as the motor, I haven't able to find information on all the cast/machined/stamped numbers. I did find a handful of forum posts across the web, and well as some scans from a ford book, or so it seems. The casting number is supposed to be roughly when the design was implemented, then the date code above that if stamped is date of manufacture, or if cast, date the part was cast. Now, I did see a post by Number Dummy IIRC saying none of that was true and Ford was kinda useless when it came to casting numbers. And I haven't found anything exciting on the transmission, but I haven't cleaned it up much yet.
 
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I think it is safe to say that the casting date will always be earlier than the date the truck was built. The casting date may be more or less earlier, but always earlier. The way I see it, the only way a later casting date could be on a earlier truck is if someone swapped a later part onto a earlier truck.
 
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I think it is safe to say that the casting date will always be earlier than the date the truck was built. The casting date may be more or less earlier, but always earlier. The way I see it, the only way a later casting date could be on a earlier truck is if someone swapped a later part onto a earlier truck.
I did quite a bit more reading after I started this thread, and I was very tired at the time. Thinking about the truck was keeping me awake. Numbers on my motor show design was implemented in '92 but motor was cast August 9th, 1996. From what I was reading Ford stopped production of the 300 6 in '96. Which makes it seem like the one I've got is one of the last ones ever made? Not sure if it was pulled from a later vehicle, or if it was a replacement motor.
 
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I re-read your first post a little more carefully. I was questioning the "numbers on my motor show design was implemented in 92" and was wondering where these numbers came from. In your first post you said the casting numbers shows it was a 92 engine. The casting numbers will always be cast into the engine block. The date codes for the engine will be stamped by a worker on the line.
 
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I re-read your first post a little more carefully. I was questioning the "numbers on my motor show design was implemented in 92" and was wondering where these numbers came from. In your first post you said the casting numbers shows it was a 92 engine. The casting numbers will always be cast into the engine block. The date codes for the engine will be stamped by a worker on the line.
I feel like the date code was cast as well, but I wont know until I clean the paint off that portion. There is also, passenger bottom towards front of block, a machined flat with two sets of numbers stamped or engraved, first is 4-digit, second is 6 digit. And I haven't been able to find anything on those.
 
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Some engines, for example, have part of the VIN stamped into the block. The 302 in my 1984 has the last 8 digits of the VIN stamped in the block, just behind the intake manifold (Close to the firewall). I've done some reading on this and it seems Ford was not consistent with this stuff...some engines were stamped, and some were not. I'm taking the 302 out of my 85 this weekend and plan to check and see if by chance it was stamped as well.

 
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Have not come across any VIN's on the engine yet, but who knows? Going to clean the rest of the grease off of it today, think I'll turn my phone off just to be sure.
 
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It looks like on the frame VIN they dropped the World Identifier, GVWR Class (type of brakes, GVWR range) TYPE/GVW (series code), engine code and the check digit.

It's 11 digits with an asterisk before and after.
FoMoCo didn't drop anything. If you have a 1982 with an 11 digit VIN stamped on the frame, the frame was swapped.

11 digit VIN is similar 1948/80. The sequence is the same 1978/80. 1980 frame VIN example: *F10BKGA0001* // 1980 serial number range: GA0001-KE9999

17 digit VIN: 1981 thru today // 1982 F100 example: 1FTDF10E9CKA12345 // The 10th digit is a letter, decodes to the year. C = 1982.

What is the VIN on your 1982's title/registration? Does it match the VIN printed on the Certification Label?

What is the engine casting number prefix and the date code on the block?
 
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FoMoCo didn't drop anything. If you have a 1982 with an 11 digit VIN stamped on the frame, the frame was swapped.

11 digit VIN is similar 1948/80. The sequence is the same 1978/80. 1980 frame VIN example: *F10BKGA0001* // 1980 serial number range: GA0001-KE9999

17 digit VIN: 1981 thru today // 1982 F100 example: 1FTDF10E9CKA12345 // The 10th digit is a letter, decodes to the year. C = 1982.

What is the VIN on your 1982's title/registration? Does it match the VIN printed on the Certification Label?

What is the engine casting number prefix and the date code on the block?

We're liable to have one hell of a coincidence if the frame was swapped.

Truck VIN 1FTCF10E7CUA16951 Only number on the frame I've found(so far) *F10CUA16951* So either they dropped dropped digits 1-4 & 8-9 Ooooor Someone found a 1980 frame from the same plant with matching sequence numbers. Truck vin matches between door tag, dash tag, and title

Casting number on the block is F2TE6015BA and date code is 6H9 off to the right of that on a machined flat are the numbers 2725 680812
 
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Originally Posted by Kramercd View Post
We're liable to have one hell of a coincidence if the frame was swapped.

Truck VIN 1FTCF10E7CUA16951 Only number on the frame I've found(so far) *F10CUA16951*

Casting number on the block is F2TE6015BA and date code is 6H9 off to the right of that on a machined flat are the numbers 2725 680812
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1FTCF10E7CUA16951

1FT = FoMoCo USA - Ford Truck - Complete Vehicle

C = Class C Hydraulic Brakes; 4,001-5,000 lbs. GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating range).

F10 = F100 2WD Pickup.

E = 4.9L (300 I-6).

7 = Check digit, FoMoCo use only.

C = 1982.

U = Louisville KY Assembly Plant.

A16951 = 1982 Numerical Sequence of Assembly, the trucks specific serial number.
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F10CUA16951

F10 = F100 2WD Pickup.

C = No such VIN engine code for an F100 after 1964 (1954/64 C = 292 2V).

U = Louisville KY Assembly Plant.

A16951 = 1967 or 1976.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy View Post
1FT = FoMoCo USA - Ford Truck - Complete Vehicle

C = Class C Hydraulic Brakes; 4,001-5,000 lbs. GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating range).

F10 = F100 2WD Pickup.

E = 4.9L (300 I-6).

7 = Check digit, FoMoCo use only.

C = 1982.

U = Louisville KY Assembly Plant.

A16951 = 1982 Numerical Sequence of assembly, the trucks specific serial number.
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F10 = F100 2WD Pickup.

C = No such VIN engine code for an F100 after 1964 (C = 292 2V).

U = Louisville KY Assembly Plant.

A16951 = 1976.
I used the decoder over at Garys Garagemahal, and it said it had a 4cyl 2.0l 122 CID gas burner, but the year range it had listed was 83/88. Which is why I assumed the frame used a truncated vin, which still seems like the only option? And that vin was on the passenger side, I hear there may be more. I'll have the frame cleaned in a couple more hours. Should there also be a part number on the frame? If so I'll clean that area first and see what I cant find.
 
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That number on the frame should be on the top of the right hand rail. Some say between shock tower to under the cab floor board and be seen with a mirror.
That number is the last numbers of the VIN and should match the sticker on the door opening and paperwork.

BTWotors & tranys do not have VIN on them.
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Originally Posted by Kramercd View Post
We're liable to have one hell of a coincidence if the frame was swapped.

Truck VIN 1FTCF10E7CUA16951 Only number on the frame I've found(so far) *F10CUA16951* So either they dropped dropped digits 1-4 & 8-9 Ooooor Someone found a 1980 frame from the same plant with matching sequence numbers. Truck vin matches between door tag, dash tag, and title

Casting number on the block is F2TE6015BA and date code is 6H9 off to the right of that on a machined flat are the numbers 2725 680812
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I used the decoder over at Garys Garagemahal, and it said it had a 4cyl 2.0l 122 CID gas burner, but the year range it had listed was 83/88. Which is why I assumed the frame used a truncated vin, which still seems like the only option? And that vin was on the passenger side, I hear there may be more. I'll have the frame cleaned in a couple more hours. Should there also be a part number on the frame? If so I'll clean that area first and see what I cant find.
So what is the problem?
As I posted the frame number is NOT the full VIN but the last part of it.
And you posted the the VIN, don't know where you got it from, and the frame number from the right side (in USA the passenger side is on the right but down under the passenger side is on the left and why we say left OR right when sitting in the truck) and the dash VIN and door sticker and think title all match.
So as far as DMV cares if it all matches you are good and the truck was not built with parts from many trucks.

As for the motor & trany who cares what year they are as long as the parts for an 82 fit / work and I don't see why they would not?
Also what if the truck was always serviced by Ford and it needed a motor? They would not go for a junk yard one. They would either rebuild what was in the truck or get one from the parts dept.
They would have the latest motor so if it happened in 96 you could have a 96 motor installed by Ford in your truck
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Nah, no one cares about anything here. They didnt even look at the truck when I sent the title off and got it registered. Pretty sure I could have told them anything I wanted and got the info on the title changed. There's a story to this truck, and I'll never know it, or what's been done to it unless I read it off the truck. And I'm putting a lot of "love" into this old truck and I'd like to know it inside and out. Found some more numbers, didnt get anything when I googled them, will post pics when I get them on the computer.
 

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