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What matters is not exceeding your axle ratings, the DOT goes by axle ratings on the door sticker, not payload.
 
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What matters is not exceeding your axle ratings, the DOT goes by axle ratings on the door sticker, not payload.
Add tire ratings to that, you will almost always go over tire ratings before axle ratings unless you have a DRW.

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Originally Posted by rvpuller View Post
Add tire ratings to that, you will almost always go over tire ratings before axle ratings unless you have a DRW.

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As long as you have e rated tires I don't think that would be an issue. My tires are rated at 3860 lbs so that's 7720 lbs per axle, but my axles are rated at 4800 lbs and 6100 lbs front and rear, so I would exceed my axle ratings long before tire ratings. However I do agree that you should know what your tire ratings are and not exceed them.
 
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Three days since the original poster has spoken; I wonder if he now believes us - OR the salesmen that told him it'd be OK.
At least he has been forewarned.
Maybe he didn't like what he had to hear?
 
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:10 PM
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I weighed my F250 fully loaded without the 5th wheel and then with the 5th wheel. My pin weight was 2700# and my trailer axle weight was 11400#. I was under my front and rear axle ratings. I pulled the trailer this weekend and I didn't notice much if any difference than my previous 5th wheel. I will not be carrying any more than I did on this trip and probably even a little less. I feel very comfortable pulling this rig and even more confident and comfortable that i know I was within Ford's specs and capacities.

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Old 01-21-2019, 11:31 PM
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There are several things here that don't add up.

11400 + 2700 = 14100 pounds; that part is marginally OK, but ...
for safe towing a minimum of 20% of that 14100 (2820 #) needs to be on the pin; an even greater safety margin would be 25% (3525#) on the pin.

To all of our knowledge's there are NO diesel F250s rated for that cargo load; and then you made things worse by installing a 200# fifth wheel hitch to the truck (lowering your available cargo capacity).

So while your truck will pull it, it won't tow it safely /within specs; so despite your protestations your trailer is improperly loaded (at 19% it's a tad too light in front weight bias) AND you have seriously over-loaded your trucks cargo capacity. You are NOT within Ford specs; nor within the RV towing communities recommendations.
 
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To disprove all of us please consult, then post a (drivers) door jam picture of your trucks load capabilities. It'll look like this:
but pertain to your truck. Please excuse the double pic, I can't delete it.



 
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Old 01-22-2019, 12:26 AM
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Now that the UGLY parts have been discussed please post pics of both the truck and your new 5vr.
Then drive it as though your family (and other road users families) are on the line. They are.
 
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Originally Posted by elprofesor86 View Post
I weighed my F250 fully loaded without the 5th wheel and then with the 5th wheel. My pin weight was 2700# and my trailer axle weight was 11400#. I was under my front and rear axle ratings. I pulled the trailer this weekend and I didn't notice much if any difference than my previous 5th wheel. I will not be carrying any more than I did on this trip and probably even a little less. I feel very comfortable pulling this rig and even more confident and comfortable that i know I was within Ford's specs and capacities.

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You may be missing a very important capacity. Based on what you published as your tire size in another thread I believe that you have a F250 Diesel Crew Cab. My best guess is that the yellow door sticker has your “combined weight of occupants and cargo SHOULD NEVER EXCEED” at about 2200 lbs.

With a pin weight if 2700 lbs, 200lbs for Hitch, 300 lbs for driver and cargo, you will be 1,000 lbs overweight.

I’m not aware of any 2017 F250 Diesel with a payload of 3450 lbs that you claim. The yellow sticker is the Ford Specs and capabilities for YOUR truck as it was built. Please post a picture of your sticker.
 
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:13 AM
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CAT Scale weights Loaded Truck only:
Steer axle: 4800
Drive axle: 3400

CAT Scale weights Tuck and 5th wheel:
steer axle: 4880
Drive axle: 6100
Trailer axle: 11400
Total: 22380
 
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:18 AM
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I've been told by Ford to take the GVWR of my truck 10,000 - the base weight of 6489 = 3511 payload.

Tires are rated at 3415 each X 2 rear = 6830.
 
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:21 AM
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CAT Scale weights Tuck and 5th wheel:
steer axle: 4880
Drive axle: 6100
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Total Weight 10,980 lbs
Never Exceed Weight 10,000 lbs

So you are over the Ford Certified Never Exceed Weight by 980 lbs


What am I missing?






 
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I've been told by Ford to take the GVWR of my truck 10,000 - the base weight of 6489 = 3511 payload.

They told you? Well maybe you spoke to a secretary rather than the engineers.
Now go take a picture of the oft requested door tag; what does it say is your maximum allowable cargo weight for YOUR (as equipped) truck ? We're all guessing low 2000 pound range.
 
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Old 01-22-2019, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by elprofesor86 View Post
CAT Scale weights Loaded Truck only:
Steer axle: 4800
Drive axle: 3400

CAT Scale weights Tuck and 5th wheel:
steer axle: 4880
Drive axle: 6100
Trailer axle: 11400
Total: 22380

Your first set of numbers (Loaded truck only) should show you that you have 1800 lbs of available payload left. GVWR (10,000 lbs) minus actual weight (8200 lbs)

Your second set of numbers (truck and 5th wheeler) should also show you something. Steer axle 4800 lbs. and rear axle 6100 lbs total up to 10,980 lbs. That is within 20 lbs of being overloaded by 1000 lbs....or a half TON.

And again, open the driver side front door and take a peak at the white sticker with the yellow highlighted area and you will find your ACTUAL PAYLOAD capacity for THAT TRUCK. I'm guessing it is around 2200 lbs...give or take a bit either way.

And by the way, if someone at Ford told you GVWR minus base weight of the truck, then you have the wrong number for the base weight of that truck. A very typical weight for that truck is in the 7600 - 7800 lbs....depending on how it is equipped. At any rate you're right at 1000 lbs overloaded.
 
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ibdagriz View Post
Man that would scare me at those weights to tow. I'm in a 2011 F-250 6.2L CCLB FX4 Lariat and it tops out at 2546lbs payload.

The diesel version must be really low in my year range.

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Hey Griz .....I had a 2011 F250 diesel CrewCab, 4x4 XLT. It had a payload of a whopping 2148 lbs!
 

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