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Jan 4, 2019 | 08:42 PM

#16

dieseldrive

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Originally Posted by Blue6.2

Here is a good video on why payload is so important. Many reasons to bypass an f250 altogether and go with the f350 if your going with the diesel option and plan to tow or haul.

https://youtu.be/N4VoUcI0JbY

The more you have, the more you have to lose. But hey, its not like we live in a country with ambulance chasing lawyers looking for someone to file suit against...

Jan 4, 2019 | 08:44 PM

#17

bobv60

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Originally Posted by 00t444e

As far as the DOT is concerned its your axle ratings that matter, not your GVWR. Don't exceed your axle ratings and legally you will be fine.

do you jave documentation on this?
i have only found tire capacity, and no more than 20,000lbs per axle, except for busses and RVs, 24,000lbs per axle.

Jan 4, 2019 | 08:44 PM

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ShadowGrey

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Originally Posted by 00t444e

As far as the DOT is concerned its your axle ratings that matter, not your GVWR. Don't exceed your axle ratings and legally you will be fine.

And my front axle is 5200 lb with the rear axle at 7230 lb per the sticker that really matters! The white one!!!

Jan 4, 2019 | 08:52 PM

#19

OEM

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Originally Posted by bobv60

The guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Just some IDIOT that wants to make himself look important by posting on the internet.

lol.

We found the guy who just realized he didn’t buy the right truck.

Jan 4, 2019 | 09:01 PM

#20

h20camper

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From: Lost in the Ozone....

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobv60

If people REALLY want a wake up, look at the payload (max load) on a compact to mid sized car. 4 normal sized adults and luggage or groceries and you WILL be over.

Really good point if we're focused on our truck's payload sticker.

Jan 4, 2019 | 09:03 PM

#21

00t444e

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Originally Posted by bobv60

do you jave documentation on this?
i have only found tire capacity, and no more than 20,000lbs per axle, except for busses and RVs, 24,000lbs per axle.

When they weigh your vehicle they weigh it by the axle, several people have posted their weight slips on here. Here is one I found.

Jan 4, 2019 | 09:10 PM

#22

RVINGFT

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Please don't confuse the issues of the truck can handle it ok v/s I should of bought more truck. Buy the truck you need for the load. Whether you want to believe it or not there are a lot of law suits about overload or improper equipment or incorrect connections like trl coming off the tow vehicle. Search the web for proof of cases, it happens. If you need a 450 get on, don't be the problem. Safe travels everyone.

Jan 4, 2019 | 09:11 PM

#23

bobv60

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Originally Posted by OEM

lol.

We found the guy who just realized he didn’t buy the right truck.

are you talking about me?
I have a 2018 F450.

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Jan 4, 2019 | 09:14 PM

#24

bobv60

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Originally Posted by 00t444e

When they weigh your vehicle they weigh it by the axle, several people have posted their weight slips on here. Here is one I found.

i know that, i was talking about using the door sticker as legal max.
Again, all i find is 20,000lbs per axle

https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/policy/rpt_congress/truck_sw_laws/app_a.htm

Jan 4, 2019 | 09:17 PM

#25

A&Pmech

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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy

Payload is important as a whole for safety reasons. I don't buy the payload concern between 3/4 and 1-ton SRW trucks. That number only exists due to antiquated state and federal laws (numbers on paper) and is more of a legality concern and not a safety concern.

Save for very minor suspension differences, a 3/4 and 1-ton truck are the same thing. When you get to towing 35+ foot 5th wheels, I think about 9 out of 10 owners run airbags or such....so that virtually eliminates any difference there is between the trucks.
I buy 1-ton trucks so I don't have to worry about it either way. 4200+lb payload for me...then again, all I have to tow is a 10k equipment trailer right now

*I am not a lawyer, an automotive engineer, or a DOT officer....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn many years ago, and I believe I have a fair bit of common sense

I agree with this. My F250 has a combined gross axle weight rating of 11500 lbs. My payload should be 11500lbs so long as neither axle weight rating is exceeded. But to keep the truck in the class 2 rating it's rated at the 10000lb max.

Jan 4, 2019 | 09:21 PM

#26

Power_Stroking

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I just bought an f250 powerstroke lariat with a payload of 2060lbs. Way more than I need for my 20ft landscape trailer and quads but I wanted one because I wanted one loll. The ride is great for the wife and kids and if I need more weight I can add a leaf in the back which would bump me up a 1k lbs ish and if I got crazy and bought a fifth wheel I slam some bags on top of that. I obviously knew what I was getting so I fall into the different strokes category.

Jan 4, 2019 | 09:29 PM

#27

bobv60

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From: Rainier OR

This is from the State of Otegon DOT

Legal Gross Weight In Oregon, the maximum legal gross weight is 80,000 pounds.
Single Axle The gross weight a single axle cannot exceed is limited to the lowest of:
• 600 pounds per inch of tire width on the tires.
• The tire manufacturer’s sidewall rating.
• 20,000 pounds.

Tandem Axle The gross weight of a tandem axle is limited to the lowest of:
• 600 pounds per inch of total tire width on the tires. • The tire manufacturer’s sidewall rating.
• 34,000 pounds. Vehicle or Combination of Vehicles The gross weight of a vehicle or combination of vehicles is limited to the lowest of:
• 600 pounds per inch of total tire width on the tires. • The tire manufacturer’s sidewall rating.
• 20,000 pounds on a single axle.
• 34,000 pounds on a tandem axle.
• The group axle weights shown on Weight Table 1. • 80,000 pounds gross weight.

Jan 4, 2019 | 09:45 PM

#28

00t444e

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From: Southern OH

Well you definitely don't want to exceed your tire ratings either, but they are usually rated higher that what the axle is rated for. Mine have a 3,860 lb load rating per tire.

Jan 4, 2019 | 09:53 PM

#29

BIGDOG1974

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ATC Crazy

*I am not a lawyer, an automotive engineer, or a DOT officer....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn many years ago, and I believe I have a fair bit of common sense

If you didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn Express, then we must disregard your post entirely!