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Old 12-24-2018, 11:35 AM
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3:73 vs 4:10 expectations, performance

Help me out with finding the right truck for me. I want to get back into a diesel. I had a 7.3 for many years and sold it some time ago. Wanting to get a 6.7L DRW but finding the one with a 4:10 seems difficult. Not sure why. Correct or educate me on this if you would. Am I not correct that the 4:10 rear end option would provide me with better fuel economy and the best towing capacity in a F350 DRW? I have looked on Marketplace and Auto Trader for a few weeks now and everything I find has the 3:73's in them. I need to pull at least 18k lbs and I know either one of those should do the job, just want the best option out there even if it is a few more bucks. Thoughts..? Thanks James
 
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If you are looking at 2017 and up duallies wih a diesel engine, you only options are 3.55 and 4.10. They quit putting 3.73's with the diesel in 2017. 4.10's will give you the worst milage and 3.55 the best.
 
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With the 6 speed transmissions the 6.7L combo is hard to beat. I can and have towed as heavy as you are wanting to - with 3.55's - no problem. I have a taller final drive than a DRW also, 20" wheels.

The 3.73's are a good middle ground. However, I am pretty sure that gear ratio went away as an option in DRW's around the 2016 or 2017 model years. As to why I am not sure. The 4.10's will give you better torque to the ground, and will give you a higher payload, all other factors being equal, but you are going to loose fuel economy with the higher RPM's. If you have a trailer behind you that heavy all the time then maybe that is something to consider, but otherwise I don't think you'll find it necessary.

I wouldn't shy away from the 3.73's one bit if it were me. If you have yet to pull with a 6.7 I think you will be surprised with what you are stepping in to from a 7.3. I drove a mid-90's era 7.3 dually picking up steel earlier this year. I didn't scale, but the steel was less than 3000lbs on a tandem axle equipment trailer. Fuel mileage was in the single digits and accelerating was a dog. In comparison, we did some property maintenance with an old allice chalmers tractor and brush hog mid-summer and I pulled it with my 6.7. Weight was well over 10,000lbs, maybe 12-14k, and I had no trouble pulling it at all.

Best of luck with what ever you decide.
 
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I have a 2013 DRW with 3.73, It does great.

Check this video of my truck towing over 15K from a stop at one of our truck meets

 
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Pulling my 16K fifth wheel over generally flat land (driving gently like the grandpa that I am) all that I've gotten is 8/9 mpg.
I've not yet had an empty load so can't say what it'd get there.

My TV can be seen below, now clocking in at around 2100 miles.
 
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In my '15 F250 I had 3:73's and towed my Coachman for several thousand miles, mostly on Florida flatlands. Got my '18 F350 with 4:10s mainly for a planned trip up to the Tennessee hills and my, hopefully, future endeavors out west. No noticeable difference in the feel but I can see on the tach the difference in eng revs. I know the F350 doesn't strain as much. Less than 1 mpg difference when towing between the two and 2-3 mpg difference with no load but if I was that concerned about economy I wouldn't be driving a PSD.
 
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FWIW, the 2019 Ford F350 DRW towing chart shows with the 4x4 crew cab 6.7 with 3:55 gears will pull 27,300 lbs. Same truck with 4:10's will pull 31,300, both on a 5th wheel pull.
 
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Originally Posted by kro1957 View Post
Help me out with finding the right truck for me. I want to get back into a diesel. I had a 7.3 for many years and sold it some time ago. Wanting to get a 6.7L DRW but finding the one with a 4:10 seems difficult. Not sure why. Correct or educate me on this if you would. Am I not correct that the 4:10 rear end option would provide me with better fuel economy and the best towing capacity in a F350 DRW? I have looked on Marketplace and Auto Trader for a few weeks now and everything I find has the 3:73's in them. I need to pull at least 18k lbs and I know either one of those should do the job, just want the best option out there even if it is a few more bucks. Thoughts..? Thanks James
I have the 4.10 and wouldn't give it up for love nor money.
When towing, fuel consumption is very speed and wind dependent. Pulled a heavy 5er last week - heading into the wind I was getting 8 mpg @ 60 mph, when the wind died it jumped to 11 mpg @ 60 mph. Increasing speed to 65 mph would have knocked me back to 9 or 10 mpg in that situation.
Running empty @ 65 mph nets 16 mpg on average while 60 mph will boost it to 17.5 mph. I have driven @ 55mph and earned a whopping 23 mpg over 300 miles.
 
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The only advantage of a 3.55 or 3.73 over the 4.10 on a dually is mpg when empty. The higher the speed empty, the better the mpg difference. At 65 a 3.73 gets me 1.5 mpg better than the 4.10. This is average over 30k miles, not just a tank. If you travel empty a lot at 80 mph, you might save a few bucks.

towing is a whole different story. My 5er is 16,500 loaded and 13.6" tall. Pulling from a dead stop on level ground the 4.10 was an advantage, an a slight incline, a huge one. Mpg loaded like this there is zero difference between the two, unless I have a tail wind, then the 3.73 is a bit better. Gear selection on tge 4.10 is much better on step hills and in the mountains - a lot less shifting, and more often no shifting needed. Yes, rpms are up a bit, but you stay in the torque curve, and interior noise is minimal.

With that load, I would not get the 3.55.
You will likely need air bags. Toss the oem shocks.

good luck,

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Help me out with finding the right truck for me. I want to get back into a diesel. I had a 7.3 for many years and sold it some time ago. Wanting to get a 6.7L DRW but finding the one with a 4:10 seems difficult. Not sure why. Correct or educate me on this if you would. Am I not correct that the 4:10 rear end option would provide me with better fuel economy and the best towing capacity in a F350 DRW? I have looked on Marketplace and Auto Trader for a few weeks now and everything I find has the 3:73's in them. I need to pull at least 18k lbs and I know either one of those should do the job, just want the best option out there even if it is a few more bucks. Thoughts..? Thanks James
 
 


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