Mode 6 Test Numbers?
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Mode 6 Test Numbers?
2005 E350 with reman'd Ford 5.4 using an Actron CP9580 scanner under the Vehicle Diagnostics program looking for misfire info I get test numbers of $80, $81, $82,$83 & $84. Using a WSM CD-ROM I can't find those test numbers, only Test ID # 50, 53, 54, 55 & 56 (Misfire Monitor 51-5F in the Diagnostic Monitoring Test Results Table) There are no DTC's other than P1000--I don't think that relates to a misfire issue?
Am I explaining this correctly or completely not understanding what I'm reading?
I have what I'm sure is a cylinder misfire quite possibly due a failing COP. I'd much rather sort this out with the help of the scanner but with no DTC's or the MIL on its tough. I'm not against disconnecting each COP with engine running but have heard that's potentially harmful to the PCM.
BTW this same scanner works perfectly with my '03 E250 with 5.4 engine.
Any help would be appreciated.
Am I explaining this correctly or completely not understanding what I'm reading?
I have what I'm sure is a cylinder misfire quite possibly due a failing COP. I'd much rather sort this out with the help of the scanner but with no DTC's or the MIL on its tough. I'm not against disconnecting each COP with engine running but have heard that's potentially harmful to the PCM.
BTW this same scanner works perfectly with my '03 E250 with 5.4 engine.
Any help would be appreciated.
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An 05 is going to be a CAN-bus system. CAN uses the test numbers of $80, $81, $82,$83 & $84 for misfire data. See the system OBDII manual for reference.
A P1000 is not a fault code, it's a status code that simply means the self-test monitors have not completed. More likely than not, the van has an OBD1 calibration (check label underside of hood or read system parameters with scan tool). OBD1 calibrations are not "user-friendly" about posting many faults as they have much looser pass/fail criteria.
There are no DTC's other than P1000
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A P1000 is not a fault code, it's a status code that simply means the self-test monitors have not completed. More likely than not, the van has an OBD1 calibration (check label underside of hood or read system parameters with scan tool). OBD1 calibrations are not "user-friendly" about posting many faults as they have much looser pass/fail criteria.
Thanks projectSHO89---VERY helpful as always!
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Okay so digging through my WSM CD-ROM for my year(s) I can't find anything relating to the CAN-bus tests----what am I missing?
My E350 was built 01/2005, my original Ford CD-ROM is for model years 2005 & 2006, the disc expired November 2005, Version 10.
The Actron scanner does find the CAN-bus test numbers for misfires but so far I can't find a way to interpret what it's showing me.
TIA
My E350 was built 01/2005, my original Ford CD-ROM is for model years 2005 & 2006, the disc expired November 2005, Version 10.
The Actron scanner does find the CAN-bus test numbers for misfires but so far I can't find a way to interpret what it's showing me.
TIA
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As I said before, you have to refer to the OBDII manual, not the WSM. Download from www.motorcraftservice.com under free resources.
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There is an absolute "LONG TON" of good information in that OBDII Theory Manual. Being able to decipher (and apply proper formula or factors to data) to the Mode $06 tests is invaluable. Check out page 11 and watch for the multiplier(s) specified at the bottom of the page for certain tests.
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There is an absolute "LONG TON" of good information in that OBDII Theory Manual. Being able to decipher (and apply proper formula or factors to data) to the Mode $06 tests is invaluable. Check out page 11 and watch for the multiplier(s) specified at the bottom of the page for certain tests.
Absolutely no doubt and about that manual--WOW! It's amazing what info is available for the asking---Ford seems to be fairly pro-active in that way.
I have been reading through it as time premits, paying attention to page 11 as recommended---very interesting stuff.
As I mentioned in my other "rough idle" thread I have a trusted tech that'll be going over this van for me----he's one of the few techs-for-hire I'd trust.
I'll post back here once we have this sorted out.
Thanks again!
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Goodness gracious---not seen your name in forever! Ever get that E-Series body off the frame?
So what I found was FORScan that takes a lot of my lack of knowledge out of finding Mode6 info. While I do have the WSM's on CD-ROM's they're not easily accessed without changing my PC's internal clock AND I have to dash between the driveway and dining room to go through the diagnostic routines.
I've not had need to dive deep into the repair procedures for a while now---am dealing with having a Ford reman'd 5.4 replaced under warranty just now. As that's an '05 with the CAN-bus network FORScan will be just the ticket I need for it.
So what I found was FORScan that takes a lot of my lack of knowledge out of finding Mode6 info. While I do have the WSM's on CD-ROM's they're not easily accessed without changing my PC's internal clock AND I have to dash between the driveway and dining room to go through the diagnostic routines.
I've not had need to dive deep into the repair procedures for a while now---am dealing with having a Ford reman'd 5.4 replaced under warranty just now. As that's an '05 with the CAN-bus network FORScan will be just the ticket I need for it.
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Hi JWA. No, I’ve not spent much time here in the forums for a while. I stumbled across this thread while looking for help with a knock sensor code/issue. I went and read the OBD theory stuff on my van’s year model referenced in this thread hoping to gain some insight into the knock sensor issue. Very informative. Good to hear from you. And yes, the body swap project is long since finished. Turned out great. Search 97 on 99 body swap to see the photos of the finished project. Cheers.
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I've tried that a few times and no luck--I'm assuming I'm missing a step along the way.
There is another post about the "expired" WSM's on CD-ROM and how to mount them to an .iso file so the actual disc isn't required to open and/or view the contents, That process too has me stumped.
There is another post about the "expired" WSM's on CD-ROM and how to mount them to an .iso file so the actual disc isn't required to open and/or view the contents, That process too has me stumped.
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