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Old 11-20-2018, 08:33 PM
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The engine that failed

Ten years ago I paid a friend, a pro mechanic, to build an engine. He showed up each day to work with a 12 pack. Engine failed in less than 1k miles. I learned a heap. Some about engines as well. It became a matter of pride to rebuild the engine myself. Ten years passed. Now, after collecting parts, custom cam, cliffy intake, cliffy shorty headers, flowmaster 50 muffler, ZF trans, hydroboost brakes, saginaw p.s pump, braided lines, flywheel, new crank from a 96, pistons from a 351W, rods from a 66 300, molly rings, I started the build. Today I hung the pistons on the block to measure the quench, or distance from top of piston to the surface where the head sits, or the deck. I intend to have the block milled, so that I can know or determine the compression ratio.

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Above, I have a feeler gauge, and am measuring the distance I mentioned. I came up with .024.

Man, I will say that the shop that reconditioned the rods and installed the arp bolts, should have loosened the caps as part of the service. What a bear to get the caps off. I had to clamp them in a vise and pry a 1" dowel in there to get the cap to separate.

For anyone building an engine, you have to follow the golden rule: Always have the crank polished. That is what, I believe, made my engine fail. I had the crank turned, without having it polished afterwards.It shredded the bearings. The crank journals should look like the surface of a mirror. I didn';t know at the time. I do now $$.

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I also want to say that the choice of pistons for the 300 is poor. However, if you get the rods from the early 300, from 65-68 I believe, they fit the 351w pistons, and open up a world of great pistons.

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Yes, I'm a Harry Potter fan, so I had my shop lazer etch a lightening bolt into my pistons. Not really. ha ha. I can't wait to start up the engine and hear a loping idle. THAT will be sweet.
 
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:47 PM
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Looks good!
Did you by chance CC the dish volume in the piston?
What is the rod bearing to crank clearance?
 
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pmuller
Looks good!
Did you by chance CC the dish volume in the piston?
What is the rod bearing to crank clearance?
No, pmuller, I didn't cc the the piston dish. I thought they were what the factory said. But because you ask, I will cc them with my new kit.
Nor have I checked the rod clearances. I did notice, however, that the Hayes book said the tolerences on the rods were remarkably tight, less than .002, iirc. That surprised me.
Today I just hung the pistons to see how much I needed to have the block milled.
 
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:18 PM
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It would be good idea to cc the piston dish and the combustion chamber before the block was decked.
It is a good practice to verify everything.
The rod clearance would be good at .002" and can be out to .0025".
 
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:29 PM
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"It's a good practice to verify everything." Absolutely an excellent point. I don't want to take anything for granted. Thanks for calling me on that. It didn't cross my mind. And yes, double yes, confirm before milling the block!! Great point. Thank you.
 
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And we wait with keen anticipation...
 
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:55 AM
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And we wait with keen anticipation...
Indeed! Very much looking forward to watching this come together.

I have the same lightning bolt on my pistons. It's good for about 5 horsepower.
 
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Indeed! Very much looking forward to watching this come together.

I have the same lightning bolt on my pistons. It's good for about 5 horsepower.
Today I cc'd the pistons and came up with 20cc. I will say that if anyone is going to do this, spend a bit more than I did and get the type of setup that has the beaker with the twist on/off nozzle. I went the cheapo route and got a pour type and it is impossible to pour into a stinking little hole w/o spilling. Now I have to buy one that produces results I can trust.

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I've seen videos where people use a syringe to get the fluid in the hole
 
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I've seen videos where people use a syringe to get the fluid in the hole
Good point, no pun intended.
 
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You should take the time to polish the piston dish and radius the upper edges of the dish.
Easy for me to say. LOL
 
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Originally Posted by pmuller
You should take the time to polish the piston dish and radius the upper edges of the dish.
Easy for me to say. LOL
The surface in the dish is very rough. What would be the best way to polish it? For the chambers of the head I was going to polish with well-worn rolls on the die grinder. Is that the way to do it in the dishes as well?
 
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Get some 1" diameter cartridge rolls that fit on a 1/4" mandrel to use with your die grinder
They should reach the bottom of the dish and be flat with the bottom with the grinder parallel to the top of the piston if the mandrel is long enough.
Use the small rolls for the sides.
 
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Originally Posted by pmuller
Get some 1" diameter cartridge rolls that fit on a 1/4" mandrel to use with your die grinder
They should reach the bottom of the dish and be flat with the bottom with the grinder parallel to the top of the piston if the mandrel is long enough.
Use the small rolls for the sides.
Excellent! I will do it. I was concerned with the roughness of the surface in the dish. So it seems that milling the block is one of last things done--after the combustion chamber volume and piston dish volume is finalized. I am very nervous about removing the ridges from the chambers. I've been unable to find a head to practice on. I'm freaked out at maybe ruining a head that I have so much money and labor invested in. I am going to set it in place on the block and scribe the cylinder bores onto the surface. Then I will open the chambers to that mark around the s.plug side. From there, I'm figuring it is a 90* drop/angle down to the valves. I believe I will create a small straight edge to hold in my hand and guide me so I don't remove too much. At some point I will have to go around the s.plug facing side of the valves with a straight porting burr so that the bottom of the c.chamber on the side away from the s.plug is plain around the s.plug side.

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The bottom photo below is your chamber, pmuller.

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Most of the material to be removed to bring the chamber out to the bore circle line is near the top and as you taper the side towards the valves it just becomes a matter if smoothing out the rough surface.
I used a cone shaped burr for that part of the job and switched to tapered rolls on a mandrel to finish and to do the chamber floor.
Much safer working near a completed valve job with sanding rolls.
 


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