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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 07:42 AM
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429 or 460

Hello everyone. I'm looking at an engine that the guy knows very little about. He thinks its a 429, but my research says it from a 1970 Lincoln. To the best of my searching, Lincoln did not put the 429 in that year. I have also read that there is no physical difference between the two engines. My question is an engine that the owner knows very little about and unsure of what it really is, would $550. be a good price for it? The motor does spin freely but is a little dirty from setting in his garage for a while. The casting # that i found are D1VE-6015-AA on the block and D0VE- C on the heads. Any help will be appreciated.

 
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 08:40 AM
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So the seller doesn't know what he has, certainly doesn't know if it runs, is ignorant on condition, has carefully kept it dumped on the floor, and likely doesn't have the disty/alternator/brackets/etc. To me, that sounds like a $200 'take it off your hands' deal. There are so many unknowns - you are basically buying a block of unknown quality. Don't overpay now as there are abundant costs yet to be incurred. IMHO
 
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 08:51 AM
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That's kinda what I was thinking also, I was not going pay more than $300. for it. I was going have it completely torn down and rebuilt. One red flag was the lack of or playing dumb information he was willing to give me. Seems to me that he was just trying to pass a problem down the line. Seemed kinda of fishy when a guy that owns a garage is so uneducated about a motor he has for sale. I guess i will just keep looking, don't want something that is going be a worthless to use and a big paper weight.
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 10:35 AM
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The D1VE engineering code on the block indicates the engineering for the casting was done for the 71 model year or later. It's unlikely it came from a 70 Lincoln. You'd need to look for the date code cast into it, which should look like 1C22 (number/letter/number) indicating year, month and day of casting, to know the age of the block. From what I know, the D1VE blocks could be either 429 or 460. They were used in several applications from mundane to SCJ. The D1VE block and D0VE heads are desirable in certain circles, if they're any good. Whether or not it's worth 2 or 3 hundred to you to take a chance on it would depend on what you wanted to do with it. But imho, that's all the money there is there, in this unknown condition.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 11:09 AM
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Those ar ethe heads to have if you want iron heads, other than cobra jet heads. They are higher compression though, so premium fuel would be recommended. Only way to tell 429 to 460 is to measure the stroke. If you are planning to leave the engine stock, this would be a pretty good candidate, as it is pre smog era. If you just want a block core and plan a larger build, a later 460 would be cheaper and give you basically the same thing.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 11:37 AM
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Both block and heads are desirable. Heads are small 77cc chamber so good for high compression using flat tops. Not so good if you want to force induction and stroke. Pistons look like ash trays. The block is definitely what you want if you plan on forced induction. Full width webs at the mains. You can machine these for 4 bolt mains if you want. Years ago I made 3 sets of 4340 splayed main caps for these blocks. I had a 429 steel forging custom ground to a 4.130 stroke with BBC rod journals. At 0.80 over you get custom pistons that use narrower BBC rings for less friction loss and bore heat at RPM. That combo nets a 514 that everyone though was the crate engine with cast crank that came out as I was building. I was buying those blocks for $100 to $200 when I would damage a bore. I think the demand for those has gone away. I agree that it sounds like a $200-$300 combo.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2018 | 08:48 PM
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Worse case is it's getting close to 50 years old. Wouldn't plan on running it as is.
 
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Edelbrock intake is $150-200 used on ebay, plus a Holley(?)carb. $500ish is in the ball park. Pop a valve cover off and see if it's cleanish or a sludgy mess. I say buy it and rock it if it doesn't look too bad.
 
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