'19 or Wait for '20
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Tuned
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From: Kilgore, Texas
My '15 is paid for and I have two more years on my ESP. Right now it's worth about $50,000 in trade. In two more years probably $35,000. If I want to be able to buy a new truck I'll have to buy one while my F-450 is still worth something. This truck has been so good I'm really reluctant to trade but I don't want to keep it out of warranty. I'll be talking to my salesman next week and probably make a decision to order now or wait a year.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Annandale, VA
This really depends on if you care to keep up with the Jones'. If you're the kind of person to get jealous or envious of the new thing that comes out with good reviews, wait.
If you're the kind of person who trades every 5 years.... I think you're safe to buy now. The 10 speed isn't going anywhere and you'd buy into it after a few growing pains are fixed. The 6r140 had a few small issues in 2011...but nothing most peole remember.
As well, not all class 8 trucks have 18 speeds. Actually many have 10 speeds and many buses run 6.
If you're the kind of person who trades every 5 years.... I think you're safe to buy now. The 10 speed isn't going anywhere and you'd buy into it after a few growing pains are fixed. The 6r140 had a few small issues in 2011...but nothing most peole remember.
As well, not all class 8 trucks have 18 speeds. Actually many have 10 speeds and many buses run 6.
Cargo Master
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From: WNY
I don’t think anyone would look to a city bus as a beacon of diesel efficiency.
First, an 18 speed is nothing more than a 13 speed with the ability to split the low range, which is hardly, if ever used. Having said that, a 13 speed is simply a 9 speed where the high range gears can be split. Those who have driven will probably tell you that they only split the last two or three highest gears.
Point?
It all boils down to about 10 gears used, where micro control over gearing happens at higher speeds, and that’s the luxury of a splitter. You have more control of keeping the sweet spot alive, which allows you to haul ***..
As an engine tuner, you now have the luxury of tuning more precise power and torque to mate up with a certain RPM for peak power and efficiency.
If Ford/GM gears this transmission correctly where the last three gears are close to keep the sweet spot alive, it will be something very very special when it comes to towing, and heads and tails noticeably better than the 6 speed where upper gear control precision with the engine sweet spot is not possible.
First, an 18 speed is nothing more than a 13 speed with the ability to split the low range, which is hardly, if ever used. Having said that, a 13 speed is simply a 9 speed where the high range gears can be split. Those who have driven will probably tell you that they only split the last two or three highest gears.
Point?
It all boils down to about 10 gears used, where micro control over gearing happens at higher speeds, and that’s the luxury of a splitter. You have more control of keeping the sweet spot alive, which allows you to haul ***..
As an engine tuner, you now have the luxury of tuning more precise power and torque to mate up with a certain RPM for peak power and efficiency.
If Ford/GM gears this transmission correctly where the last three gears are close to keep the sweet spot alive, it will be something very very special when it comes to towing, and heads and tails noticeably better than the 6 speed where upper gear control precision with the engine sweet spot is not possible.
More Turbo
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[QUOTE=George C;18182927]
No question, I’m waiting.
Im not interested in a 19’ when a drive train update and fresh styling is right around the corner.
With GM and Ram introducing new redesigned trucks, I’m expecting more power and noticeable styling improvements, along with a new interior.
I'm with you George C. With the introduction of new GM/Ram trucks, Ford can't afford any missteps on the 10 speed transmission.
Im not interested in a 19’ when a drive train update and fresh styling is right around the corner.
With GM and Ram introducing new redesigned trucks, I’m expecting more power and noticeable styling improvements, along with a new interior.
I'm with you George C. With the introduction of new GM/Ram trucks, Ford can't afford any missteps on the 10 speed transmission.
Posting Guru
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Anybody that’s considering waiting until 2020 to jump on the new 10 speed right out of the gate, I would recommend going and talking to the mechanics at you’re dealership. I deal with mechanics for work, and every ford dealership I go to they are saying they have been working on a bunch of F150s with the 10 speed because of various clutch and valve issues. Not sure I would want a truck with those tranny issues and add in 900+ lb/ft of torque. Not a grenade I want to jump on.
Tuned
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This really depends on if you care to keep up with the Jones'. If you're the kind of person to get jealous or envious of the new thing that comes out with good reviews, wait.
If you're the kind of person who trades every 5 years.... I think you're safe to buy now. The 10 speed isn't going anywhere and you'd buy into it after a few growing pains are fixed. The 6r140 had a few small issues in 2011...but nothing most peole remember.
As well, not all class 8 trucks have 18 speeds. Actually many have 10 speeds and many buses run 6.
If you're the kind of person who trades every 5 years.... I think you're safe to buy now. The 10 speed isn't going anywhere and you'd buy into it after a few growing pains are fixed. The 6r140 had a few small issues in 2011...but nothing most peole remember.
As well, not all class 8 trucks have 18 speeds. Actually many have 10 speeds and many buses run 6.
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Mountain Pass
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From: The Woodlands
The F150 will skip gears unless it is in tow haul mode. I have had a 2018 F150 Platinum for the past 11 months.(22k miles). It has been fine with no issues. That being said, there is no way I would buy a 1st year vehicle (redesign, engine or transmission). Let them work out the bugs for the first year and then I might be interested. The 10 speed was available with the 3.5 EB starting in the '17 model year. My truck was built in Sept of 18 so they had time to sort things out. My '18 has not had the issues that many of the people with '17s and earlier '18s are complaining about.
More Turbo
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Cargo Master
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From: WNY
Disagree.
The 18 speed was, and still is the most common manual and autoshift transmission sold today, and probably for the foreseeable future.
Why? Because it is the transmission that is the most solid built unit, and can handle the 2000+ lbs. of torque that today’s most powerful engines make.
...Kind of the same way the new 10 speed will be built to handle more power than the current 6 speed.
Tuned
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As for your comment of 10 speeds being good for 1000lbs+ and the 6 speed being a weak point. Ford transmissions are named by their speeds and Nm torque capability. The current transmission is the 6R140, or 6 speeds with 1400Nm torque capability. (1032ftlbs). The new 10 speed is a 10R140, confirmed by an article discussing assembly location, and by a friend internally working on the project. It is being designed for the same 1032ftlbs of torque as the 6 speed. No more torque capability in the new transmission, sorry.
Posting Guru
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As for your comment of 10 speeds being good for 1000lbs+ and the 6 speed being a weak point. Ford transmissions are named by their speeds and Nm torque capability. The current transmission is the 6R140, or 6 speeds with 1400Nm torque capability. (1032ftlbs). The new 10 speed is a 10R140, confirmed by an article discussing assembly location, and by a friend internally working on the project. It is being designed for the same 1032ftlbs of torque as the 6 speed. No more torque capability in the new transmission, sorry.
Cargo Master
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From: WNY
I work in product development and I can guarantee I would never buy a first model year anything. I have a friend that personally works for Ford in transmission calibration (shift tuning) he said he would never buy within the first 3 years of a product development. You do as you wish, but I jumped on a 2019 because engineers are never 100% satisfied with their products when the accountants say its time to go production. Not to mention the 10 speed in the 150 gets ~1mpg better than its 6 speed predecessor, similar results can be expected with the new SD 10 speed. (yes I know its not the same transmission)
As for your comment of 10 speeds being good for 1000lbs+ and the 6 speed being a weak point. Ford transmissions are named by their speeds and Nm torque capability. The current transmission is the 6R140, or 6 speeds with 1400Nm torque capability. (1032ftlbs). The new 10 speed is a 10R140, confirmed by an article discussing assembly location, and by a friend internally working on the project. It is being designed for the same 1032ftlbs of torque as the 6 speed. No more torque capability in the new transmission, sorry.
As for your comment of 10 speeds being good for 1000lbs+ and the 6 speed being a weak point. Ford transmissions are named by their speeds and Nm torque capability. The current transmission is the 6R140, or 6 speeds with 1400Nm torque capability. (1032ftlbs). The new 10 speed is a 10R140, confirmed by an article discussing assembly location, and by a friend internally working on the project. It is being designed for the same 1032ftlbs of torque as the 6 speed. No more torque capability in the new transmission, sorry.
That may be a true advertised number today. But I’m betting Ford and GM haven’t combined engineering forced, invested millions in cash and time just to remain status quo. They are designing this piece for the next 10 years, and you can bet that the trans will be easily stepped up for power increases, where the six speed just doesn’t figure into the future at all. With both automakers invested in its success, and testing since 2015, I think I can rest comfortably that the product will be well tested and sorted out.
With tried and true thinking, I got to wonder why they stopped making the old 4R100.......
Tried and true?
My first truck was an early 99’ Superduty. If you remember, the updated piezo injected 7.3L in the new truck design. That was a special one. Got a lot of looks in the day. It felt good to own something so fresh,
Then one of the first 6.0L in an 03’ Lariat LE. That one was Quadzilla tuned turbo screaming beauty. Went to GM for a bit...Then on to one of the first 6.4L in 08’ I kept that one for awhile because of the 345 KEM made it a little hard to part with.. then to GMC for now. All of that with zero issues. Granted, I did dodge a bullet with the 6.0L. All new stuff and our world kept on spinning.
My wife likes the big SUVs. She bought one of the first 15’ Yukon Denali with DI and the new 8 speed...which I may add has been buttery smooth and nothing short of the almost perfect power package for the day.
Tongue in cheek here..I wish I had an engineer friend tell me how crazy we were, but we like the new stuff that’s in current style and design.. One hiccup though, the transmission (reverse) did fail on her proven 10’ Tahoe, which was covered under warranty.
Even the tried and true stuff breaks my friend. Just walk through any shop in America..
VERY excited for the new rigs coming up, and I don’t want to wait 3 years on a friends advice to play Chicken Little. Thank God the world doesn’t come grinding to a halt out of misplaced new car fear.
I am sure you are perfectly happy with your 6 speed and older designed F-150 style cab interior.
Knowing what changes are coming, personally, I would have waited to test out a 2020. I would bet after one ride behind the new power train, you may have looked at it all differently.