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Old Jul 7, 2018 | 02:34 PM
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Tow Capacity Increase?

If I were to increase the power in my 1993 7.3L IDI, would it be possible to get it certified at a higher towing capacity that what it was listed from the factory?
 
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Old Jul 7, 2018 | 04:39 PM
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Not by only increasing power. The tow rating has quite literally nothing to do with power. It's a safety rating so it takes into account the brakes, suspension, type of hitch used, etc, all for the purpose of keeping the driver and those around them safe in the event of a panic stop or emergency maneuvering.

If you're looking for more weight in a bumper style pull, it can be had by adding a weight distribution hitch setup, which adds a LOT of legal towing capability. The next step after that is going to a gooseneck or a 5th wheel type setup where the anchor point is in the bed.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2018 | 11:59 AM
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While josh i mostly right, the power is in fact part of the factoring of max cgvw. That said, im not sure you would be able to convince anyone to up your gvw just because you put a turbo on it. Thankfully we dont have to deal with that stuff out here very often.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2018 | 02:58 PM
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I think my '93 (7.3 n/a, ZF-5, 4x4, 4.10) is only rated for 14K GCWR (truck + trailer) whereas the automatic is rated for 17K?? Seems like it oughta be the other way around... more hp to the ground with the stick? Truck weighs about 6100 with me in it. I'm not tiny
 
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Old Jul 8, 2018 | 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DrCharles
I think my '93 (7.3 n/a, ZF-5, 4x4, 4.10) is only rated for 14K GCWR (truck + trailer) whereas the automatic is rated for 17K?? Seems like it oughta be the other way around... more hp to the ground with the stick? Truck weighs about 6100 with me in it. I'm not tiny
I think the limiting factor is the ZF in that equation. They all have some magical number that you aren't supposed to tow above. I'm with you though, I love my stick shift!
In fact that's why I got my 7.3 in the first place...had a 300-6 with the M5OD 5 speed and it was eating it up towing my trailer, IIRC I was 1,500lbs over its rating!
 
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Old Jul 9, 2018 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DrCharles
I think my '93 (7.3 n/a, ZF-5, 4x4, 4.10) is only rated for 14K GCWR (truck + trailer) whereas the automatic is rated for 17K?? Seems like it oughta be the other way around... more hp to the ground with the stick? Truck weighs about 6100 with me in it. I'm not tiny
The reason Ford came up with those weight ratings is due to the fact they have no control over drivers abusing the clutch when towing heavy.

 
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Old Jul 9, 2018 | 07:47 PM
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The reason Ford came up with those weight ratings is due to the fact they have no control over drivers abusing the clutch when towing heavy.
Thats sort of a way to look at it, more likely that with a converter and an automatic youre able to be in the engines power band more. The E40D with lock and unlock is like have 6-7 gears not just 4, plus the torque multiplication. Until i really thought about it, i figured it would be the other way around, as a manual has like a 4:1 if not 5 or 6:1 first and most autos are 2:1 ratio. I can say one thing though, 1-2 and 2-3 just arent any fun with a "real" load on with the ZF. In my 79 with the 3.55s and 35s with the zf, that is around 5k, roughly 12k gcvw, my 92 old engine, that was 10-12k or 17-18k gcvw. Most ive had on my new engine is our flatbed with a car, about 10k (16.8k gross) and i was pulling hills in 5th no problem until i decided i wanted the transmission to live. This really doesnt help if the po-po enforces the factory GCVWR, brakes will play a factor at some point, but good judgement goes alot farther than brakes do, especially with an IDIs engine braking.
 
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Unless you are pulling commerical, they normally dont weigh. How many 1 tons have you seen with a 5th wheel car hauler with 3 or 4 cars on it. The overweight tickets are when you go over the 80 k
 
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Old Jul 10, 2018 | 11:15 AM
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Thats sort of a way to look at it, more likely that with a converter and an automatic youre able to be in the engines power band more.
It's not my way to look at it, Ford came up with that explanation when questioned about the tow specs. Just my opinion, but for towing, sometimes 11-12 thousand pounds gross trailer weight, I sure wouldn't trade my ZF with 5 close ratio usable gears compared to a E4OD which is basically a 4 speed.
 
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Originally Posted by RaymondIV
It's not my way to look at it, Ford came up with that explanation when questioned about the tow specs. Just my opinion, but for towing, sometimes 11-12 thousand pounds gross trailer weight, I sure wouldn't trade my ZF with 5 close ratio usable gears compared to a E4OD which is basically a 4 speed.
IMHO, "Ford" doesnt know their **** from a hole in the ground most of the time, never been to a dealership and not had an argument about my IDI not being a powerstroke. As i pointed out, its not "basically a 4 speed" You have torque multiplication via the converter for starters, then the locking converter which basically splits 2,3, and 4, always keeping the engine between 2k-3k under WOT. Sounds alot better than going from 3500 to 1500 with my 5 speed. All of that said, i do prefer my ZF over an automatic, just because id rather drive a manual. Even if it requires going into 4 lo to pull the backhoe up our driveway. There are situations where i cant get on top of the turbo going from 2-3, but thats pretty rare, and not any real distance, not worth 4.11s or swapping in an aux. trans, but definitely not an issue i would have with an automatic. Probably not an issue with only pulling 11-12k, when i run into issues im pulling the hoe (17k) the telehandler (19k) or hay (10-20k) on our 7000lb PJ trailer.
 
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Originally Posted by hturner12
Unless you are pulling commerical, they normally dont weigh. How many 1 tons have you seen with a 5th wheel car hauler with 3 or 4 cars on it. The overweight tickets are when you go over the 80 k
if you are on the east coast, particularly in the new yawk area, they pull over and impound every one they catch for overweight.
from what i hear average fine and tow bill is around $5,000
 
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