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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 09:27 PM
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I want to attach this this plug to a 30 amp cable. I assume the middle wire is the ground Is that correct?
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 10:26 PM
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That is an old, three wire dryer cord. It does not have a ground, but instead is two hots (the two outer wires, and the \ & / on the plug end) and a neutral (center wire, L shaped on the plug end).

New circuits using the corresponding recepticals have not been allowed in the USA since sometime in the 1980's (new dryer circuits are required to be a four wire, giving them separate neutral and ground wires).

What is your application for this?
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 06:17 AM
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Thanks for the info. I need a 3 prong plug. I have a compressor that has a 14 amp motor. I have a 3 prong outlet in the garage that this plug fits. Can I use this cable substituting the neutral for ground?
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 07:56 AM
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Short answer: Strictly by code, probably not.

However, your local AHJ (authority having jurisdiction, aka, electrical inspector) MIGHT allow it IF the circuit comes off the MAIN electrical panel (ie, not a subpanel). If you're talking a detached garage, you most likely have a subpanel.

If this is fed from a subpanel, you'll need to investigate the circuit further (insert standard "qualified electrician" disclaimer here).

Before going further, let me ask this: is this circuit also used for a dryer and/or somewhere someone in the future might use it for a dryer?
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 08:25 AM
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I am going to say no. Change the receptacle and get a cord that is the proper mate. If you have any metal on your compressor you MUST extend the bonding conductor(ground) to the unit. protect life first the worry about economics. Remember the next guy will not know what you have done if that is the case.

Hope this helps.

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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 11:01 AM
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1. It's off the main panel.

2. The receptacle was for a dryer previously.

3. My concern is; does the outlet doesn't have a ground? If so, is it where the " L " ( neutral wire prong ) will insert into the outlet?

Here is the pic of the outlet.

 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 11:40 AM
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Is the compressor 230V? if so it likely has no Neutral wire, and all current flows from one hot to the other.

That 3 wire circuit is a NEMA 10-30, look up the wiring diagram. (L is Neutral as it is a 125/230, which we see written on the recepicle)

Options:
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Use 'L' as GND
or switch to 4 prong (does the branch wiring even have a white/Neutral? If no, no point in this option)
or hardware the compressor (I would do this)
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 12:35 PM
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So I can use the neutral as my ground?

There are only 3 wires coming off the compressor. Here are a couple of pics. I thought I could use the neutral for ground.



3 wires: green, white and black


Here's the plug. The guy I got the compressor from put it on because that was the type of outlet he had on the wall.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 12:44 PM
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I have my compressor wired similarly. But I used a 240v plug, looks like a std 120 but the tabs are turned. My garage already had the outlet from PO.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 01:22 PM
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The ground wire from the motor is attached to the back plate of the switch assembly. The PO put a ground wire from the plug to mounting plate.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 05:18 PM
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Something seems off here: If that motor is 6hp like that picture is showing, it's gonna be more than 14a at 220v. Or was that 6hp I see in that picture on a different device?

Thats a NEMA 6-50p plug on the compressor right now, indicating the prior owner had it plugged into a 50 amp receptical (which, by code, would be freed by a 40 or 50 amp breaker). (FWIW, that plug appears to be convertible to a NEMA 6-30p by simply disassembling and changing the two hot legs from vertical to horizontal).

Can you post a picture of the motors nameplate?
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 08:36 PM
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It says 14 amp on the plate
 
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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 10:31 AM
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It's kind of weird that it says 6hp, yet uses only 14a at 220v. The motor must really be around 2hp or so. 6hp is probably some hypothetical max burst HP.

You could probably safely run this on a 20amp 220v breaker (and with the plate specifying 12g wire for an extension cord, it seems that's the manufacturers intent). I can only assume that receptical is fed by a 30a breaker. Any chance you have a manual for that thing? It would be best to defer to what the manufacturer specifies for overcurrent protection. My guess is that a 30a breaker is ok so long as the circuit was properly installed with10a wire.

It seems your original plan to use the L as ground would work, and will prevent the need to modify the circuit, so long as it is 100% clear that the circuit does not feed from a sub panel (ground and neutral are bonded together at a main panel, but not at a sub, so electrically they are basically equivalent when served from the main panel only).

If you did decide to hardwire as others suggest, you'd still need a means of disconnection within view of the compressor. To me, being able to unplug it is more straightforward.

Do note that if you modify the circuit, it would be illegal to ever put it back like it is currently. Three wire dryer circuits are allowed to remain as is so long as they are not modified.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 12:55 PM
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power= volts x amps = 14 x 240 = 3360 watts.

There are 746 watts per horsepower. 3360 / 746 = 4.5 horsepower.

So the rated horsepower of 6 is in the ballpark. Manufacturers typically throw in a phoney "peak horsepower" number as a sales device and they are using 240 volts instead of 220. You will get 220 or something less.

I concur with the number on the label.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2020 | 01:45 AM
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In this situation to call the electrician seems to me more safe. I hope that all advices from this thread were helpful for you and you figured out how to resolve your issue. I noticed that you received a lot of help, that is great. Last summer when I had problems with the sockets in my apartment I tried to fix all by myself, I asked for some advices at the forum. But in the end I just called an electrician from Bates Electric Minneapolis and he fixed everything in an two hours and it was not that expensive as I thought it could be.
 
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