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Old Jun 22, 2018 | 09:05 AM
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New 1962 F100 Owner Where to begin

Good morning this is my first post as a new owner of a 1962 F100 Ford Truck. So here goes the disclaimers I’ve never owned a truck but I’ve always wanted one!! I know how to keep a car clean and I know how to take them to the shop for repairs but that’s the full extent of my working knowledge on vehicles but I’ve had a lifelong dream to actually restore an old truck and after three years of searching I just bought one! Thankfully a dear friend of mine buys and sells old cars and he’s been on the lookout for this one for me . I am excited to begin the journey as a comedy would have it the car started up fine I took it out for a drive for for about 30 minutes everything seemed great went back out and wanted to take it for another spin and of course the gas tank leaked all inside the cab and the brakes failed while on the road thank goodness I was able to pull over safely before myself or anyone else was hurt ,

so I just purchased from LMC truck a gas tank that will be installed in the bed of the truck as I want to remove it out of the cab and behind the seat for safety reasons and equally for fumes.

has anyone installed the gas tank that goes in the rear of the bed from LMC truck and do you have any advice for me thank you so very much !
 

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Old Jun 22, 2018 | 04:02 PM
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First off, welcome to FTE and congrats on your purchase!

Now, that said:
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... the gas tank leaked all inside the bed and the brakes failed while on the road...
On your truck, the gas tank should be in the cab. Not sure how it could have leaked into the bed. Maybe it could happen if you have a unibody and a ton of rust in the back of cab/front of bed area. Or an aftermarket tank in the bed.

Next point: your truck is 56 years old. Likely all rubber is shot. That includes flex lines in the brake system. Since you say you don't have much knowledge in auto repair, try to pick up the shop manual (not sure if actually called that) for the truck. You can find them on ebay occasionally.

Once you get the manual, tear into the brakes and do a thorough inspection. Unless it looks like its all been replaced recently, replace anything which is suspect. On something which is 56 years old, that may be everything master cylinder to wheel cylinder, shoes, springs and lines. The brakes are the most important system on the truck! Also, one of the simplest. Once they are in good shape, you will have a good foundation to build upon. I'm not saying it'll be quick, especially if it will be your introduction to mechanical work. Take your time; do it right.


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... so I just purchased from LMC truck a gas tank that will be installed in the bed of the truck as I want to remove it out of the cab and behind the seat for safety reasons and equally for fumes.
You shouldn't be smelling fumes in the cab, gas tank or no. It's vented externally. If you are, it's probably the rubber hoses which are most likely disintegrating. Replace the hoses and that should eliminate fumes.

You can add a rear tank if you like, but its a completely custom job. You'll have to rerun the fuel lines, construct some type of mount, and figure out how to fill it. Most of the rear tanks like that require a hole cut in the bed floor, but other options may be available. Once you have the skills mechanically, you can do whatever you like. Especially on trucks like these; they're incredibly simple to own and maintain.

Have fun, and good luck!
 
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Old Jun 22, 2018 | 06:44 PM
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The fuel filler neck gasket is another piece that can leak.Once it starts to crack, any fuel spilled from filling up or over filling can leak into the cab.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2018 | 11:11 PM
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Thank you guys so much you’re correct I meant to say cab instead of bed my apologies! It leaked in the cabin when we removed the gas tank we saw that there was a leak from the weld unfortunately they tried to use the sealer that you pour inside the gas tank but it was unsuccessful so we just decided to replace the gas tank and play it safe! There was 1 video on YouTube on the installation process.Was hoping their might be others. I will definitely look for the parts and shop manuals. Great suggestion. Now I need to find one with illustrations! Thank you!
 
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Old Jun 23, 2018 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by john jamieson
The fuel filler neck gasket (no such thing!) is another piece that can leak.
The rubber grommet (9080 in pic) fits into the hole in the cab, retains the fuel filler tube in place.

The neoprene fuel filler hose (9047) clamps to the filler tube (9034), then to the fuel tank (9002). Over time, it age cracks, allowing fuel vapors to waft inside the cab.

The sending unit (9275) has a cork gasket (9276) between it and the tank. Cork shrinks with age, vapors can waft from it.

The fuel line routes from the top of the tank, over to the left side, then down the left side.

Between it and the fuel line that routes to the fuel pump along the frame rail is a short neoprene hose. If this hose cracks, fuel leaks from it, but not inside the cab.

The thing is, some people overfill the tank, so the filler tube is full of gas, so when this occurs, fuel can leak out if the filler hose is cracked.

But overfilling the tank is the wrong thing to do, because gas expands when it's hot.

So fuel can not only leak inside the cab from the hose, but can seep past the fuel cap, run down the outside of the cab.

 
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Old Jun 24, 2018 | 11:20 PM
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John thank you very much for the insight and sharing of how the system works and the Illustration in as well!! I greatly appreciate it! I started to look at the parts you talked about and as you had identified the gaskets on most of these areas are old cracked and requiring replacement. Where I am going to do is re-locate the gas tank to underneath the cab with the LMC truck retrofit kit but I also want to maintain the original design of the truck so I’m going to put back in the old system after we clean it up so that it will at least have the original part with in the cab it just will not be a functioning one and I will refuel the truck from the bed. Do you think that is an OK path to go?
 
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Old Jun 25, 2018 | 10:16 AM
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...as I want to remove it out of the cab and behind the seat for safety reasons and equally for fumes.
As others have mentioned, if the tank as well as the gaskets and rubber etc are all in good condition, there will be no fumes in the cab. Safety as well is debatable. Some would argue that the tank is better protected from impact behind the seat. Ultimately, it's your decision, since it's your truck. The biggest downside of keeping it behind the seat is making sure to not overfill it. As ND stated, gas expands when hot and can overflow, Also, with a full tank, when parked (with a lean to the left) it can overflow. Both are easy to prevent. Neither of these issues are eliminated by relocating the tank either.


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Where I am going to do is re-locate the gas tank to underneath the cab with the LMC truck retrofit kit but I also want to maintain the original design of the truck so I’m going to put back in the old system after we clean it up so that it will at least have the original part with in the cab it just will not be a functioning one and I will refuel the truck from the bed. Do you think that is an OK path to go?
Do you mean underneath the bed? If you are planning to give the appearance of being original, keep in mid that moving 1 thing often affects others. A gas tank relocated under the bed will have you searching for a new home for the spare tire.
 
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You guys have been terrific to help me think through some of the issues with relocating the tank underneath the bed . You’re right it is all personal choice so I’m just struggling a little bit to decide what is the best avenue . I am in full agreement with everything you’ve shared as I’m sure if I replace all the parts the smell would be minimal in the cab . So that leaves the biggest decision for me regarding overall safety. Do I want roughly 20 gallons of gas sitting behind me within inches should something spark or go wrong or when I pass this car down to my son or daughters do I want the possibility removed for their safety . I was trying to do some research to see in the history books were there issues with explosions or burns associated with the gas tank being in the cab . I didn’t find anything yet which either means there isn’t a lot of information about the subject or I just haven’t found it yet . Ultimately we know cars today and trucks today do not put the gas tank in the cab my assumption is that was for some reason probably space but I wonder if it was safety as well . I may be a little gun shy to since my very first car in high school was a 1973 Ford Pinto Wagon!!

Thoughts?
 
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Old Jun 27, 2018 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ptexrican
You guys have been terrific to help me think through some of the issues with relocating the tank underneath the bed You’re right it is all personal choice so I’m just struggling a little bit to decide what is the best avenue. I am in full agreement with everything you’ve shared as I’m sure if I replace all the parts the smell would be minimal in the cab . So that leaves the biggest decision for me regarding overall safety.

Do I want roughly 20 gallons of gas sitting behind me within inches should something spark or go wrong or when I pass this car down to my son or daughters do I want the possibility removed for their safety . I was trying to do some research to see in the history books were there issues with explosions or burns associated with the gas tank being in the cab. I didn’t find anything yet which either means there isn’t a lot of information about the subject or I just haven’t found it yet .

Ultimately we know cars today and trucks today do not put the gas tank in the cab my assumption is that was for some reason probably space but I wonder if it was safety as well.

I may be a little gun shy to since my very first car in high school was a 1973 Ford Pinto Wagon!!

I owned a 1965 F100 for 44 years (1965/2009) and outside of replacing the fuel filler hose once (in 1981), I had no other problems.

IMO, the tank is safer inside the cab than it is behind the rear axle. Having it there caused the Pinto/Bobcat & Crown Vic/Grand Marquis fuel tanks to explode when rear ended.

These tanks (and the 1965/73 Mustang tanks people swap into these trucks) are made from an upper and lower section welded together forming a lip 3/4" around the circumference.

When rear ended, the tank was pushed forward, the lip hit the center of the rear end, causing it to split open. It also caused the fuel filler tube to pull out of the tank.

btw: The exploding Pinto fuel tank fiasco did not affect station wagons, only the two doors and runabouts.
 
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