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Old May 27, 2018 | 04:01 PM
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I have a 2004 F250 4x4 crew cab, with a 6.0L PSD. The air conditioning has started cutting in and out, and not cooling as well as it should. I checked the refrigerant level, and it appears to be in the middle of the charged zone. I'm wondering if I have a relay that's failing, or something else going on.

Anybody have this happen, and if so, how did you fix it?

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Old May 27, 2018 | 06:04 PM
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I’d top off the refrigerant to get it fully charged. That may fix it.



 
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Old May 27, 2018 | 08:16 PM
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I was wondering if that might cure it. I'll get it up near the top end of the "green" zone, and see what that does.
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 06:51 AM
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It is IMPOSSIBLE to accurately "top off" a refrigerant system with only a low side gauge. You're far more likely to screw it up (unless you get lucky) than you are to fix it.

There are multiple causes of the reported symptom, a low charge is usually not one of them.
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by projectSHO89
It is IMPOSSIBLE to accurately "top off" a refrigerant system with only a low side gauge. You're far more likely to screw it up (unless you get lucky) than you are to fix it.

There are multiple causes of the reported symptom, a low charge is usually not one of them.

he said it’s in the middle of the charged zone. No reason not to charge it all the way.
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 10:06 AM
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Search this forum for Springer Pop's ac clutch mod. I bet that's it. Mine did the same and that fix solved it.
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Old May 28, 2018 | 11:35 AM
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he said it’s in the middle of the charged zone. No reason not to charge it all the way.
You're making the (mistaken) assumption that the the gauge reading directly corresponds to the level of the system's charge. It doesn't. The low side pressure indirectly correlates to the evaporator outlet temperature which, in a perfectly working system, can vary considerably based on several factors. That's why the el-cheapo low-side-only gauges just show a band that represents a nominal range of pressure.

Besides, even if the system were slightly low on charge, it wouldn't cut in and out as the OP described.

Most likely, cokeman's suggestion is the correct one - intermittent clutch operation due to an excessive clutch gap.
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam.Costanza
I have a 2004 F250 4x4 crew cab, with a 6.0L PSD. The air conditioning has started cutting in and out, and not cooling as well as it should. I checked the refrigerant level, and it appears to be in the middle of the charged zone. I'm wondering if I have a relay that's failing, or something else going on.

Anybody have this happen, and if so, how did you fix it?

Thanks, all!
i have the exact same year and truck as you do. I also was having issues with my AC cooling better sometimes and not so well other times. I just recharged mine and it’s now working perfectly. May help you or may not.
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 12:03 PM
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I thought this clutch mod only worked on the 7.3 models. So it’s the same for the 6.0 other than the location of the compressor?
 
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Most Ford compressors of this era share the same type of clutch (and many of them the same FS10 compressor). The gap setting procedure is the same for any of them - car, truck, van, etc.
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 02:59 PM
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I thought this clutch mod only worked on the 7.3 models. So it’s the same for the 6.0 other than the location of the compressor?
actually this sanden style compressor is used on millions of different systems including many aftermarket secondary systems. The air gap issue was common on 7.3L as it was an assemble issue where the clutch air gap was set incorrectly.
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam.Costanza
I have a 2004 F250 4x4 crew cab, with a 6.0L PSD. The air conditioning has started cutting in and out, and not cooling as well as it should. I checked the refrigerant level, and it appears to be in the middle of the charged zone. I'm wondering if I have a relay that's failing, or something else going on.

Anybody have this happen, and if so, how did you fix it?

Thanks, all!
I will assume but cutting in and out you are referring to the ac compressor clutch ? if so then yes a low or slightly low charge will cause this ...... I am not fan of DIY gauges or recharge kits BUT dollars are tight these days SOOOOO ya its may need recharging
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 05:30 PM
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if so then yes a low or slightly low charge will cause this .....
um.... No, usually. A very low charge might cause short-cycling (along with poor or no cooling), but that is not going to be consistent with a low-side gauge reading mid-range.
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 06:36 PM
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um.... No, usually. A very low charge might cause short-cycling (along with poor or no cooling), but that is not going to be consistent with a low-side gauge reading mid-range.
then please enlighten us ?

I have never used DIY gauges so I am assuming he is seeing a low pressure number on the low side while compressing and the compressor is cycling rather quickly in the op's opinion...... are DIY gauges retarded at all ? That would make diagnoses pretty tough
 
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Old May 28, 2018 | 10:36 PM
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I suspect you are using one of those ac charge kits. If so those gauges are not accurate. I had one brought to me because the owner said the gauge showed normal. It turned out he had a rock hole in his condenser and the charge kit was totally false. It had no gas in it at all. I love those diy kits. Once they screwed up their system owners bring them to me to fix it right.
 
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