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Old Apr 6, 2018 | 04:57 PM
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Carb backfire?

So, I've searched the web and this forum and found a few good places to start...but thought I'd try to get some more specific advice on here.
My 351c has been back firing through the carb recently. Did just get a rebuild kit for the Autolite 2100 so it may have something to do with that. I've seen sticky exhaust valve or faulty accelerator pump or timing? Have it set at 10 btdc...it was running kinda rough at 6 so I stepped it up and it runs strong. Just replaced valve cover gaskets and checked the valves...all seem sturdy and set right.
Thing is it only backfires when I punch the throttle. If I ease into it, no problem...but when I hammer on the pedal it pops a few times then carries on.
So...any suggestions?
Would the A/F ratio play a part? Maybe float level?
Any input would help! Thanks!
 
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Got 'er moved as per your request.

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Got 'er moved as per your request.

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Old Apr 6, 2018 | 09:18 PM
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Accelerator pump. With the engine OFF and the ignition key OFF, pull the air filter off, look down into the carb and pump the throttle. You should see a STRONG shot of fuel pumping down into the carb.
If you do not, your pump is most likely bad.
Need a rebuild kit...
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Old Apr 6, 2018 | 11:52 PM
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Accelerator pump. With the engine OFF and the ignition key OFF, pull the air filter off, look down into the carb and pump the throttle. You should see a STRONG shot of fuel pumping down into the carb.
If you do not, your pump is most likely bad.
Need a rebuild kit...
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Thanks, I will check that for sure. I just did rebuild it, so it maybe something with the linkage. After researching a bit more I saw a post saying you need to cut the little umbrella valve tip off. I didn't cut it when I installed it. Does that sound right? Possibly the culprit if so.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2018 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JWray707
So, I've searched the web and this forum and found a few good places to start...but thought I'd try to get some more specific advice on here.
My 351c has been back firing through the carb recently. Did just get a rebuild kit for the Autolite 2100 so it may have something to do with that. I've seen sticky exhaust valve or faulty accelerator pump or timing? Have it set at 10 btdc...it was running kinda rough at 6 so I stepped it up and it runs strong. Just replaced valve cover gaskets and checked the valves...all seem sturdy and set right.
Thing is it only backfires when I punch the throttle. If I ease into it, no problem...but when I hammer on the pedal it pops a few times then carries on.
So...any suggestions?
Would the A/F ratio play a part? Maybe float level?
Any input would help! Thanks!
Here is a page from the shop manual see #7. Also if it has backfired a bunch you may have blown out your power valve a 351C auto uses a 9.5 ( red ) and the manual uses a 7.5 ( green ). Also check your vacuum advance. Put your timing light on it and start it with the vacuum connected a stock Cleveland should pull in about 10 to 15 degrees at 15 inches of vacuum in addition to the 10 degrees initial you have it set at.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2018 | 01:04 PM
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Thanks for that shop manual description, need to get me one of those! I will cut the end of the valve off. So, 20 to 25 degrees at 15" of vacuum? As far as the power valve...is there a way to test it or what are the symptoms for a failing one?
 
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Originally Posted by JWray707
Thanks for that shop manual description, need to get me one of those! I will cut the end of the valve off. So, 20 to 25 degrees at 15" of vacuum? As far as the power valve...is there a way to test it or what are the symptoms for a failing one?
Yes, with the vacuum advance hooked up and working you should see about 20 to 25 degrees of advance at idle. If the power valve fails it will cause a very rich condition. The easiest way to tell if it has gone bad is to start the engine let it warm up. Then turn the idle mixture screws in until they gently seat, keeping track of how many turns you move them so you can put them back, if the engine continues to run the power valve has likely gone bad.
 
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Yes, with the vacuum advance hooked up and working you should see about 20 to 25 degrees of advance at idle. If the power valve fails it will cause a very rich condition. The easiest way to tell if it has gone bad is to start the engine let it warm up. Then turn the idle mixture screws in until they gently seat, keeping track of how many turns you move them so you can put them back, if the engine continues to run the power valve has likely gone bad.
Sweet! I will check those out when it stops raining here. Thanks!
 
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OK, took the carb off today and cut the umbrella valve...also reset the float to the correct level. Still backfires when punching the throttle, though slightly less it seems. Haven't hooked up the vacuum gauge yet or checked the power valve...but will tomorrow. Would the faulty power valve be the cause of backfires...or would it just cause the rich condition?
 
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