6.0 oil cooling issues
#1
6.0 oil cooling issues
What’s up everybody, having some issues with my 6.0 wondering if anybody has any advice ...
I recently just did the VC 9 flush and replace my oil cooler .
I already have my EGR delete and ARP studs and bpd ficm
Yes , The oil cooler is oem ford
My cooling temperatures on the highway stay around 186 to 188
My EOT is at 230 to 240
I went ahead and put a infrared thermometer on the oil pan and oil filter when the temperature was at 240 and it read 205 . 🤔
Could my edge cts be reading bad ?
Bad oil temp sensor ?
Bad water pump flow ?
Stuck thermostat?
Bad fan clutch ? Which I changed out about eight months ago with an aftermarket clutch.
Thank you in advance any help would be appreciated
I recently just did the VC 9 flush and replace my oil cooler .
I already have my EGR delete and ARP studs and bpd ficm
Yes , The oil cooler is oem ford
My cooling temperatures on the highway stay around 186 to 188
My EOT is at 230 to 240
I went ahead and put a infrared thermometer on the oil pan and oil filter when the temperature was at 240 and it read 205 . 🤔
Could my edge cts be reading bad ?
Bad oil temp sensor ?
Bad water pump flow ?
Stuck thermostat?
Bad fan clutch ? Which I changed out about eight months ago with an aftermarket clutch.
Thank you in advance any help would be appreciated
#3
The seal on bypass valve in the oil cooler base has been known to tear if manhandled, and messing up either the cooler or filter bypass valves during the work will cause problems. Did the valve come out of the top of the standpipe in the oil filter housing? Or did you accidentally take the cooler bypass valve out of the filter base when you took the oil cooler housing out?
Cooler bypass valve write-up, but it's outdated in that you can find a new valve for sale now. If you need the spring you have to buy the whole filter base:
WA0UWH - Electronics & HAM Radio Blog: FORD Rant - Oil Cooler Bypass Valve - is a non replaceable part.
You can check ECT vs EOT on a cold start (as mentioned above), they should read +/- 2* of each other.
Shooting the pan isn't an accurate way to gauge the oil temp, it has to do with fluid flow in the pan, it's the same reason fancy transmission pans don't do anything for heat transfer:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post10038870
Cooler bypass valve write-up, but it's outdated in that you can find a new valve for sale now. If you need the spring you have to buy the whole filter base:
WA0UWH - Electronics & HAM Radio Blog: FORD Rant - Oil Cooler Bypass Valve - is a non replaceable part.
You can check ECT vs EOT on a cold start (as mentioned above), they should read +/- 2* of each other.
Shooting the pan isn't an accurate way to gauge the oil temp, it has to do with fluid flow in the pan, it's the same reason fancy transmission pans don't do anything for heat transfer:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post10038870
#4
#5
The seal on bypass valve in the oil cooler base has been known to tear if manhandled, and messing up either the cooler or filter bypass valves during the work will cause problems. Did the valve come out of the top of the standpipe in the oil filter housing? Or did you accidentally take the cooler bypass valve out of the filter base when you took the oil cooler housing out?
Cooler bypass valve write-up, but it's outdated in that you can find a new valve for sale now. If you need the spring you have to buy the whole filter base:
WA0UWH - Electronics & HAM Radio Blog: FORD Rant - Oil Cooler Bypass Valve - is a non replaceable part.
You can check ECT vs EOT on a cold start (as mentioned above), they should read +/- 2* of each other.
Shooting the pan isn't an accurate way to gauge the oil temp, it has to do with fluid flow in the pan, it's the same reason fancy transmission pans don't do anything for heat transfer:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post10038870
Cooler bypass valve write-up, but it's outdated in that you can find a new valve for sale now. If you need the spring you have to buy the whole filter base:
WA0UWH - Electronics & HAM Radio Blog: FORD Rant - Oil Cooler Bypass Valve - is a non replaceable part.
You can check ECT vs EOT on a cold start (as mentioned above), they should read +/- 2* of each other.
Shooting the pan isn't an accurate way to gauge the oil temp, it has to do with fluid flow in the pan, it's the same reason fancy transmission pans don't do anything for heat transfer:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post10038870
Also I shot the oil filter housing with the thermometer is that not accurate either ?
#6
Moving to the 6.0L PSD forum.
Nope. The only way to get an accurate oil temperature is to measure the oil itself. So if you can find a way to stick your IR gun inside your engine somewhere and read a stream of moving oil, you should get an accurate measurement. There is ALWAYS going to be a temperature drop across a barrier. If the surface of your oil pan was 205, I'd bet 238-240 is accurate. I think your sensors are working fine and you need an oil cooler, but I'm not the 6.0L expert.
Also I shot the oil filter housing with the thermometer is that not accurate either ?
#7
Moving to the 6.0L PSD forum.
Nope. The only way to get an accurate oil temperature is to measure the oil itself. So if you can find a way to stick your IR gun inside your engine somewhere and read a stream of moving oil, you should get an accurate measurement. There is ALWAYS going to be a temperature drop across a barrier. If the surface of your oil pan was 205, I'd bet 238-240 is accurate. I think your sensors are working fine and you need an oil cooler, but I'm not the 6.0L expert.
Nope. The only way to get an accurate oil temperature is to measure the oil itself. So if you can find a way to stick your IR gun inside your engine somewhere and read a stream of moving oil, you should get an accurate measurement. There is ALWAYS going to be a temperature drop across a barrier. If the surface of your oil pan was 205, I'd bet 238-240 is accurate. I think your sensors are working fine and you need an oil cooler, but I'm not the 6.0L expert.
my mechanic did it first and than it still read the same temp 240 . So we assumed faulty cooler and ford went ahead and Warrented the cooler and did the job again.
If the temp is accurate at 240 than I’m going to assume oil cooler bypass valve.
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#9
The oil pan contains hot oil. The oil temp (EOT) you read is AFTER the oil cooler. It is normal for your oil pan to be 40-50 *F higher than the EOT reading.
I would sure verify your Edge reading.
That said, I am not a fan of VC-9, it can loosen up stuff and plug a new oil cooler.
I would sure verify your Edge reading.
That said, I am not a fan of VC-9, it can loosen up stuff and plug a new oil cooler.
#10
If I read this right, you're on oil cooler #3 with the same temps now? They can inspect the oil cooler bypass and the filter bypass by only removing the oil filter and three screws, it's not an invasive job. If they do #4, replace the oil filter base also. It's ~$180 part on pretty much a WAG, but if they're there you're already on the wrong side of $800 in labor to get the cooler out again, might as well replace the base and clean the housing really well.
#11
If I read this right, you're on oil cooler #3 with the same temps now? They can inspect the oil cooler bypass and the filter bypass by only removing the oil filter and three screws, it's not an invasive job. If they do #4, replace the oil filter base also. It's ~$180 part on pretty much a WAG, but if they're there you're already on the wrong side of $800 in labor to get the cooler out again, might as well replace the base and clean the housing really well.
#12
You can source just the valve, but if you need the spring or if the bore is damaged that requires buying the whole filter base. We've seen torn valves and that's an easy fix by replacement, but there was one where the valve had ridden at an angle in the bore and was galled. This IS a long shot though, so if you waste $16 on the part don't be upset. IPR makes a backflush valve you can replace the EGR cooler outlet cover with, there is still a chance you have so much crap in the cooling system you're seeing coolant-side clogging still.
Use something to compress the valve cover back down, don't pull it down with the screws. Don't LOSE a screw or spring down the standpipe hole either.
https://www.bulletproofdiesel.com/Oi...p/90100115.htm
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...il-cooler.html
Use something to compress the valve cover back down, don't pull it down with the screws. Don't LOSE a screw or spring down the standpipe hole either.
https://www.bulletproofdiesel.com/Oi...p/90100115.htm
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...il-cooler.html
#13
You can source just the valve, but if you need the spring or if the bore is damaged that requires buying the whole filter base. We've seen torn valves and that's an easy fix by replacement, but there was one where the valve had ridden at an angle in the bore and was galled. This IS a long shot though, so if you waste $16 on the part don't be upset. IPR makes a backflush valve you can replace the EGR cooler outlet cover with, there is still a chance you have so much crap in the cooling system you're seeing coolant-side clogging still.
Use something to compress the valve cover back down, don't pull it down with the screws. Don't LOSE a screw or spring down the standpipe hole either.
https://www.bulletproofdiesel.com/Oi...p/90100115.htm
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...il-cooler.html
Use something to compress the valve cover back down, don't pull it down with the screws. Don't LOSE a screw or spring down the standpipe hole either.
https://www.bulletproofdiesel.com/Oi...p/90100115.htm
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...il-cooler.html
I had a welded egr put on about two years ago
#14
VC-9 can do some nasty stuff, I've heard (I'm not a chemical engineer and don't pretend to be one, just read this on the internet) that leaving it in longer than 3 hours or at higher concentrations trace amounts can remain adhered to engine metal and continue loosening debris even after it's flushed out. Some people have nasty systems, and have to go so far as to remove the radiator and back flush it and also replace the heater core.
You can backflush though a special cover over the EGR cooler outlet, it works with a welded cooler installed.:
Oil Cooler Backflush Valve Kit - Gen 2
https://www.accuratediesel.com/6-0l-...SABEgI97_D_BwE
You can backflush though a special cover over the EGR cooler outlet, it works with a welded cooler installed.:
Oil Cooler Backflush Valve Kit - Gen 2
https://www.accuratediesel.com/6-0l-...SABEgI97_D_BwE