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Old Mar 12, 2018 | 08:27 AM
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9 inch posi?

My 79 f150 rwd has a real hard time hooking up. Way too easy to spin.....a tire! As truck sits, with crappy tires, it with spin when I hammer throttle from about 10 MPH. Although fun, I'm more interested in g-forcing me against the seat leaving a stop light, rather than having a smoke show. It's been a long time since I've driven one of these trucks, but I'm sure the truck I had before, in 1982, hooked up better than this one. I know it needs decent tires, and that good tires would help alot, but,

1st question is, what's the best, easiest, and cheapest way to put a posi in? What vehicles came out with them that I can look for at the wreckers?

2nd question is, suspension geometry is not my thing. Is there something I need to look at, or do there that will allow the truck to launch better?
 
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Old Mar 12, 2018 | 08:32 AM
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This is hilarious. I just posted a thread about this. I got a 9" center section with Eaton Truetrac from Quick Performance. I'm very pleased.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2018 | 08:36 AM
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This is hilarious. I just posted a thread about this. I got a 9" center section with Eaton Truetrac from Quick Performance. I'm very pleased.
Lol! I see that! Just read your post. Already some good info!
 
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As for the "hooking up" at launch, trucks are pretty light in the butt. I've never hot rodded a pick up but I've had a couple of quick heavy cars. The old flapper bars worked pretty good for me. Caltrac suspension might be something to look at too
 
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Old Mar 12, 2018 | 09:00 AM
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If you're going to order a new center section, you'll need to know a few things before calling. Desired gear ratio, universal joint size, yoke length, and type differential you want.

If you're wanting to change ratio in order to hit a specific RPM at a specific MPH, there's a formula that helps: MPH x 336 x gear ratio / tire diameter = RPM. If you're running an auto transmission without a lock-up converter you'll need to add about 5% at cruise speed.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2018 | 09:13 AM
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Also 28 or 31 spline axels.
 
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Ahhhhh, yes true. Spline Count! Thanks for correcting me.

Grandpa, if this seems intimidating, don't sweat it. It's not. You can get your gear ratio from the door tag. You can measure the universal joint caps and yoke length. As for spline count, the only way I know to get that is to pull one axle shaft and count the splines. It's pretty easy but be prepared for the axle bearing to come apart. I would never put an old bearing / seal unit back in there anyway.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2018 | 09:44 AM
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Ahhhhh, yes true. Spline Count! Thanks for correcting me.

Grandpa, if this seems intimidating, don't sweat it. It's not. You can get your gear ratio from the door tag. You can measure the universal joint caps and yoke length. As for spline count, the only way I know to get that is to pull one axle shaft and count the splines. It's pretty easy but be prepared for the axle bearing to come apart. I would never put an old bearing / seal unit back in there anyway.
Naw, that's all pretty much straight forward. I don't know how much has been changed on this truck from previous owners, so I don't trust door stickers or axle tag anymore. I don't have a tach in it yet, but sticker says it came with a 3.50/31 spline. By your formula, with the 235/75R15's, 65mph should be around 2600 rpm. Which by ear, sounds about right, but hard to tell. Tach is my next install.
 
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Yeah a tach is handy for more than just entertainment. I need to install one too. In a pinch you can use your timing gun to confirm RPM while driving. I did it to confirm gear ratio before I ordered center section. Something else on the spline count....axle shafts are not overly expensive. If it was me, I'd replace them too. In which case, it doesn't matter what's in there now. Just order 31's. That's what I did.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2018 | 10:02 AM
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Quick hack

Mark your driveshaft and your tire. Jack the rear end up. Now spin the tire one full rotation and count how many rotations your driveshaft makes. This is your ratio.
 
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Lukas I tried that method for finding gear ratio and found that it doesn't work with an open differential
 
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Old Mar 12, 2018 | 10:51 AM
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Maybe if you only jack one tire up and leave the other on the ground?
 
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I never thought of that. I wonder if that'd work? I no longer have any open diff vehicles to try that out.

I had a diff / trans guy explain to me why an open diff won't reveal it's gear ratio that way. I didn't understand all of it, and I can't convey it, but I understood enough. But of course I had to try it anyway. Didn't work.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2018 | 02:20 PM
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I was told that with an open diff, one tire stays on ground. Turn lifted tire one revolution, while counting driveshaft turns. Divide driveshaft turns in half, and use that number to determine ratio. I've never done it though.
 
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You don't need to divide anything... The number of driveshaft revolutions per one tire revolution is your gear ratio
 
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