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Old Feb 13, 2018 | 04:33 PM
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well did a compression check again. only 30 pounds on cylinder 2 and 6
 
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Old Feb 13, 2018 | 04:43 PM
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didn't check cylinder 6 but 2 didn't go up with putting oil in cylinder so I'm assuming valves.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2018 | 04:44 PM
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thanks for the help guys. any idea how hard a valve job is on these?
 
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Old Feb 13, 2018 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kentuckysix
didn't check cylinder 6 but 2 didn't go up with putting oil in cylinder so I'm assuming valves.
Did you have the throttle body propped open when you did the compression test?
 
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Old Feb 13, 2018 | 07:52 PM
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no I didn't but 1,3,4,5 all had 140-150 while 2,6 both had 30. why does throttle plate matter? not doubting just not very knowledgeable.

I read a lot of stories on people using stale gas and bending push rods. I'm hoping that's the case because I checked compression prior to bad gas and it was all 135-150 does anyone have any literature or instructions on how to do something like that? I'm pretty mechanical, farm boy, but ain't too experienced with gas engines. This truck only has been driven ~500 miles by me and I got it at an auction for cheap. I love the body style.

I'm just a broke boy trying to get it going again so I can start making her pretty. I got time and motivation, just not a whole lotta cash laying around
 
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Old Feb 13, 2018 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kentuckysix
no I didn't but 1,3,4,5 all had 140-150 while 2,6 both had 30. why does throttle plate matter?
The theory behind that is so the engine can suck in plenty of air. Through the intake valves obviously. I can't explain the #2 and #6 cylinders.

To check for bent push rods you would have to remove either the valve cover or side cover. I don't know what to say now.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2018 | 08:51 PM
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To check for bent push rods you would have to remove either the valve cover or side cover.
On second thought if you could get a hold of a good borescope, you may be able to position the motor and see how far the valves are opening.
 
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Old Feb 14, 2018 | 07:01 AM
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I'm operating under the assumption it's pushrods for now. do you have to remove the head to change them out or can it all be accessed by the pushrod cover?
 
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Old Feb 14, 2018 | 07:05 AM
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you can change them by pulling the valve cover.
 
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Old Feb 14, 2018 | 09:19 AM
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yep 2 bent push rods. pulled them out and gonna drive down to Tennessee to get some new ones. should have them in tomorrow. will keep this thread updated for future prosperity.
 
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Old Feb 14, 2018 | 09:05 PM
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here they are. I think they are intake valves?
 
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Old Feb 14, 2018 | 09:08 PM
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here they are. I think they are intake valves?
Yes, it starts at the front with an exhaust valve and alternates. ie E I E I E I E I E I E I. As you probably noticed, you can tell by the manifolds.

Stay tuned. Now that you got the valve cover off, it is easy to verify which stroke the distributor is on. I will post later.
 
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Old Feb 14, 2018 | 11:34 PM
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Now that you got the valve cover off, it is easy to verify which stroke the distributor is on.
This would be easiest with an assistant, but can be done without one.

Turn the engine clockwise from the front until the INTAKE valve on cylinder #1 opens and closes, ie the rocker arm pushes the valve down and lets it back up. At that point the timing mark on the harmonic balancer will be roughly half way around from the timing marks. Continue turning the engine clockwise until the timing marks line up to Top Dead Center or 10 degrees before.

Actually at any point the intake valve starts to open, you can just go clockwise until the timing marks line up.

Now the rotor should be pointing at the#1 spark plug terminal. If you verify this, you won't be wondering when you go to start the engine.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2018 | 03:21 PM
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checked and timing is spot-on. tried to start it, wanted to start on first go after cycling key 3-4 times. sprayed some ether and it ran so I'm moving on to fuel issues. gonna swap out my dual tank reservoir to single tank and drop the fuel tank and clean the injectors.

that bad gas really put a damper on my day
 
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