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Old 01-18-2018, 01:37 PM
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if there is a volt reading across the wire when cranking, there is resistance in the wiring and that resistance isn't letting the starter have all the voltage


Cant test it with out a load which is why I mentioned while cranking.
 
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6.7 starter modified? I have not heard of this. Can you explain?

The 6.7 starter has better brushes for more contact area, a larger support bearing, and increased loaded speed (larger diameter pinion) but can be adapted to work on a 7.3. The cones are different so you need a 6.7 starter AND a 2 bolt 7.3 OSGR starter and you will take parts off the 7.3 so it will bolt up correctly. They are both OSGR.

The one main difference is the 6.7 starter has a higher peak stall current than the OSGR 7.3 starter but given the loaded speed is higher would make sense.

Starter wise, I have used the knock off DB electrical high torque 4.36kW, genuine Denso, TYC OSGR, Ford oem reman Mitsubishi PLGR, and 6.7mod genuine Ford. After taking apart a few Denso high torque knock offs that failed I would never get a Denso unless it was guaranteed genuine. The bearings in the look alikes are junk, brushes wear down fast, solenoids have sticking issues, and some have bendix issues.

I have noticed the Denso starter seems to loosen the starter bolts, we will see with the 6.7.
 
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Old 01-18-2018, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 1fastktm
The 6.7 starter has better brushes for more contact area, a larger support bearing, and increased loaded speed (larger diameter pinion) but can be adapted to work on a 7.3. The cones are different so you need a 6.7 starter AND a 2 bolt 7.3 OSGR starter and you will take parts off the 7.3 so it will bolt up correctly. They are both OSGR.

The one main difference is the 6.7 starter has a higher peak stall current than the OSGR 7.3 starter but given the loaded speed is higher would make sense.

Starter wise, I have used the knock off DB electrical high torque 4.36kW, genuine Denso, TYC OSGR, Ford oem reman Mitsubishi PLGR, and 6.7mod genuine Ford. After taking apart a few Denso high torque knock offs that failed I would never get a Denso unless it was guaranteed genuine. The bearings in the look alikes are junk, brushes wear down fast, solenoids have sticking issues, and some have bendix issues.

I have noticed the Denso starter seems to loosen the starter bolts, we will see with the 6.7.
Thanks, I found a video about this. The cost for the 6.7 starter seams a bit pricey. I have in the past had issues with the 2 bolt getting loose. I cured that with loctite and new lock washers.
 
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Old 01-18-2018, 09:53 PM
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My wires looked like hell. I cut and cleaned up everything. coated all of them with the electrical grease. Seems to turn over faster but the engine was warm too. I need new wires they are getting too short they are tight now.
 
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Old 01-18-2018, 10:06 PM
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Good source for cables.
Not sure if we have a vendor that does this service as well.

Custom Battery Cables F350 cables
 
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Old 01-19-2018, 03:04 PM
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300.00 for a full set! ouch
 
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Old 01-19-2018, 05:14 PM
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I agree on that!!! There are other options, but I didn't have time to look them up.

I opted to just buy cable, military clamps, ring terminals, shrink tubing and a cheap hydraulic crimper. It makes some real nice cables and is one of my favorite tools.

I have built 3-4 complete setups for different rigs as well as repaired some for friends and family.
 
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Old 01-20-2018, 01:23 AM
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300.00 for a full set! ouch
Order 15' of 1/0 super flex wire, ring terminals, marine batter clamps, heat shrink, solder and make your own. If you shop around you can do the for around 150
 
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Old 01-20-2018, 11:07 AM
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Man, I'm electrical dumb. I can plug and play. It just seems it should spin faster. I could be wrong. The cables could be getting old. The ends are cut off and clamped into the post via the aftermarket battery clamp on a battery. How do I Ohm them?
I didn't read the rest of the thread but those clamps are absolutely junk after a few months. The lead and copper start to oxidize and impede current flow from copper to the lead. That being said when i got my truck it had a single battery and those terminals and still started. It was slower, but still worked.
 
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Old 01-20-2018, 11:10 AM
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I've used these cables on 3 trucks now without any issues. Starting down to -1F without plugging in and no issues (used on both IDIs and Powerstrokes)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Standard-A1...5aAa~C&vxp=mtr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Cab...tZ-v-5&vxp=mtr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Cab...JZ~ACs&vxp=mtr
 
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Old 01-20-2018, 04:37 PM
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Great info on battery cables guys. Mine are just old and terminals at battery are kaput.
 
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Honestly, good batteries and replacing all my cables (including the starter) with 3/0 cable with good clamps was one of the best things I have done on my 89 F350 IDIT.
3/0 is overkill, but in cold temps, I'll take all the help I can get...

It cranks over pretty darn fast for an old diesel.

I know, I know, not a Powerstroke... but it still applies.

This is the cable I bought:
Amazon Amazon

These are the terminals I bought:
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:24 PM
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Well, I was searching out info on starters again and found I asked the question already. I replaced the cables, the batts and still have a slow start up. I think it must be my starter. Imstill confused a little. I can get a 2 bolt 2000 to 2004 SD starter. and bolt it right up with a little clearancing of the cable eye..... The starter is heaver and has caused parts to break in the past on some? I can also go 6.7L starter but I would need a 7.3 SD starter nose cone and put it on the 6.7 starters. In the end, My assumptions are the 6.7 cost more, they both spin the same or the 6.7 just a tad faster. the 6.7 should last longer. Denso hi torque staters can be found new or rebuilt. may or may not be the real thing? Yes or no? Am I over thinking it?
 
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Old 11-24-2018, 10:32 PM
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I still love my Denso!
 
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Old 11-25-2018, 12:21 AM
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Im told the TYC for the 7.3 SD is a good starter too. under 100.00 or a OSGR starter.
 


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