GCWR?
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exactly.. bumper pulls are just fine for a f250.. even over 10k because it doesn't put the weight on the bed like a 5th.
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An F350 is basically the same price. Why handicap yourself for the future?
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The towing guide show 3 different numbers for 5th wheel. It says to look in owners manual to determine yours. My manual show 23500 for F250 diesel. On the chart it does not have that number. I know 1 of the 3 is with tow package that I don't have so it leaves 22500 or 23100. So what one is correct?
I am not asking for the cargo weight. There are 2 numbers that are listed as GCWR under my (F250) CCSWB 4X4 Deisel. My concern is that number and my RAWR of 6340. There is a 600lb difference from 22500 and 23100 in the Ford towing guide.
FWIW I have had my truck weighed and I have ~1650 cargo capacity with 2 passengers 3/4 tank of fuel. I will using an Andersen hitch.
FWIW I have had my truck weighed and I have ~1650 cargo capacity with 2 passengers 3/4 tank of fuel. I will using an Andersen hitch.
- 21,900 lbs. (note 1): Applies to F250 with the optional 9900 lbs. GVWR downgrade
- 22,200 lbs. (note 2): With optional (HD) Tow Pkg
- 22,500 lbs. (no note): Standard (?) rating
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
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The towing guide show 3 different numbers for 5th wheel. It says to look in owners manual to determine yours. My manual show 23500 for F250 diesel. On the chart it does not have that number. I know 1 of the 3 is with tow package that I don't have so it leaves 22500 or 23100. So what one is correct?
In the shopping process myself and went to the dealership to find out the GCWRs on two different trucks, F250 & F350. No one there could tell me the number. Also, no one could tell me the actual weight of either truck. -GCWR (not the GVWR)-Real actual weight of the truck
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In the shopping process myself and went to the dealership to find out the GCWRs on two different trucks, F250 & F350. No one there could tell me the number. Also, no one could tell me the actual weight of either truck. -GCWR (not the GVWR)-Real actual weight of the truck
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From: West Virginia
There are two stickers on the B pillar - the Tire and Loading Information sticker which shows cargo carrying capacity, and the Safety Standards Compliance sticker which shows GVWR, front GAWR and rear GAWR. It doesn't actually show the truck's actual weight. A trip to a CAT scale (or similar) is required to get that information.
To find out the GCWR of the various model trucks, you need to look it up in the Towing Guide. Here is a link to the 2017 towing guide:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources...de_r6_Nov8.pdf
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From: West Virginia
In the shopping process myself and went to the dealership to find out the GCWRs on two different trucks, F250 & F350. No one there could tell me the number. Also, no one could tell me the actual weight of either truck. -GCWR (not the GVWR)-Real actual weight of the truck
Anyway, here are a couple snips of the tables for the 250 and the 350 conventional towing just to give you an idea. To figure out any meaningful comparison, you'd really need to identify how you intend to configure the vehicle and then compare the two models.
I seriously doubt the dealership has any information on the actual weight of one of these trucks. However, I think that if you were to run one across a CAT scale then subtract the cargo capacity from that number, you'd have the actual weight of that truck. You could then subtract the cargo capacity of any truck of the same class (F250 for example) from that scale number and come up with the actual weight of each truck.
You'd have to weigh a 350 in the same way to find out what the actual weight is for them.
EDIT:
Page 36 of the towing guide says:
Base Curb Weight is the weight of the vehicle including a full tank of fuel and all standard equipment. It does not include passengers, cargo or any optional equipment. Your dealership sales consultant can give you this number for the vehicle(s) you are considering.
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Nope, I looked and even took pics of the sticker on the door jam.It has the GVWR and each axle weight ratings, that’s it.
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Subtract the payload from the door sticker from the GVWR on the other sticker to get your trucks weight with a full tank.
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Don't add the axle GVWR's. Best I can remember, I think the combined amount will exceed the weight class. You need to know the GVWR class rating minus payload. It's on the window sticker, if you can't find it elsewhere.
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Curb weight plus cargo, passengers, options equals GVW
Gross vehicle weight is the actual weight of the vehicle ready to go and is not allowed to exceed the GVWR.
Say you loaded your truck up to the gills and weighed it and it happened to weigh exactly the same as the GVWR. If one of your passengers got out, your truck would suddenly weigh less than the GVWR because you are not using all the available payload.
Just grabbed a window sticker at random, and unless it's on there in code somewhere, I'm not seeing the curb weight being disclosed anywhere.
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Good thinking, but I don't think it works.
Curb weight plus cargo, passengers, options equals GVW
Gross vehicle weight is the actual weight of the vehicle ready to go and is not allowed to exceed the GVWR.
Say you loaded your truck up to the gills and weighed it and it happened to weigh exactly the same as the GVWR. If one of your passengers got out, your truck would suddenly weigh less than the GVWR because you are not using all the available payload.
Just grabbed a window sticker at random, and unless it's on there in code somewhere, I'm not seeing the curb weight being disclosed anywhere.
Curb weight plus cargo, passengers, options equals GVW
Gross vehicle weight is the actual weight of the vehicle ready to go and is not allowed to exceed the GVWR.
Say you loaded your truck up to the gills and weighed it and it happened to weigh exactly the same as the GVWR. If one of your passengers got out, your truck would suddenly weigh less than the GVWR because you are not using all the available payload.
Just grabbed a window sticker at random, and unless it's on there in code somewhere, I'm not seeing the curb weight being disclosed anywhere.
The payload sticker is specific for each configuration. For example, two identical trucks, except for one being ordered with the Reese fifth wheel hitch, will show a 150# lower payload for the one ordered with the hitch.
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It does work. For example, my GVWR is 14,000, payload is 4753 (per stickers), so my weight should be 14,000 - 4753 = 9247# with a full tank and no driver / passengers. I've weighed my truck and, as required by law, it is correct.
The payload sticker is specific for each configuration. For example, two identical trucks, except for one being ordered with the Reese fifth wheel hitch, will show a 150# lower payload for the one ordered with the hitch.
The payload sticker is specific for each configuration. For example, two identical trucks, except for one being ordered with the Reese fifth wheel hitch, will show a 150# lower payload for the one ordered with the hitch.
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It does work. For example, my GVWR is 14,000, payload is 4753 (per stickers), so my weight should be 14,000 - 4753 = 9247# with a full tank and no driver / passengers. I've weighed my truck and, as required by law, it is correct.
The payload sticker is specific for each configuration. For example, two identical trucks, except for one being ordered with the Reese fifth wheel hitch, will show a 150# lower payload for the one ordered with the hitch.
The payload sticker is specific for each configuration. For example, two identical trucks, except for one being ordered with the Reese fifth wheel hitch, will show a 150# lower payload for the one ordered with the hitch.
I’m sure you understand the only thing I worry about is cargo carrying capacity so haven’t spent an awful lot of brainpower on the rest of the equation.
