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Dec 20, 2017 | 11:10 AM

#31

Tom

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Originally Posted by David W Jones

I have a neighbor that fires his truck up (a 1999 GMC 1500 I sold him in 2003) and tears off up the road like his butt was on fire. It's lived that life for 14 years and counting with no issues.

I don't quite go to this level, but I almost never idle an engine. It goes into gear 1-2 seconds after starting up and I start driving. I take care not to be rough on it until it comes up to temp, but I've never seen or heard anything other than old wives' tales and gut feelings suggesting that idling to warm up helps anything.

I don't see the purpose behind wasting the gas. Engines are most efficient when they're up to temperature, and idling is the SLOWEST way an engine can possibly warm up. I want that thing up to temp as soon as possible.

Dec 20, 2017 | 03:11 PM

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storage_man

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Originally Posted by Kingofwylietx

I just double-checked, to be sure Storage Man wasn't correct....I was only 99.99% sure I was correct.

Ford says on their website that it is cellular connection.

Link here: https://owner.ford.com/how-tos/sync-...150&sync=sync3

This available built-in technology—powered by a 4G LTE modem and the AT&T network*—connects owners to their vehicles through FordPass™ on their smartphones.

Now there is your problem. First, 4GLTE is a data connection only not cellular. And since Ford signed a trial with AT&T for this connection that was passed on to you after you signed for your truck, what happens after you use it? I'm sure AT&T doesn't give away this connection for FREE !

If you read further, It states "As an owner you have a 3 month complimentary Data Connection !" ! I assume after you try this once and your truck tries to download reconnect to AT&T data network and updates + receiving Ford Pass Commands, Some time in the future you will receive a 4gLTE bill from AT&T.

This is no different than the deal with Sirus Radio.

I just want to know how does one turn all of this crap off !

Dec 20, 2017 | 04:20 PM

#33

Kingofwylietx

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Originally Posted by storage_man

Yeah, but 4g LTE is cellular data. It's still cellular. LoL

The FordPass app cellular connectivity to the vehicle is complimentary for the first 4 or 5 years.

If you want to add the Option of data streaming to devices (think iPads on Netflix, YouTube, or games...to keep kids occupied), it is 3 months complimentary...then $20 per month thereafter.

I don't yet know what the charge will be for only using FordPass after the 4th or 5th year. However, whatever it is, I'll be paying it because I like the functionality.

I pay for Sirius too. However, I travel quite a bit in my truck, so it's pretty useful for me. If I was always in town, I'd probably just enjoy my HD music channels and not pay for Sirius.

Feb 19, 2018 | 05:43 PM

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sky Cowboy

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From: Near Salmon Arm BC

I let mine idle 20 or 30 seconds, then drive it fairly easy until the temp gauge is up to normal operating temp.
Then drive as usual.

Feb 19, 2018 | 07:15 PM

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GlueGuy

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Originally Posted by sky Cowboy

I let mine idle 20 or 30 seconds, then drive it fairly easy until the temp gauge is up to normal operating temp.
Then drive as usual.

That's a good plan. Modern engines & oils make the warmup far less critical than it has been in the past. We live at the end of an almost 1-mile driveway, so I start, let it idle for less than 10 seconds, then back down the part in front of our house (about 120 feet, all downhill). The backup part takes another 20 seconds, then I drive ~~ 10-12 MPH the rest of the driveway. Most of that is in 1st gear, but a couple parts are in 2nd. By the time I get to the main road, I think I have a bit over 2 minutes run time.

Feb 19, 2018 | 09:40 PM

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Delta Echo

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Originally Posted by JKBrad

Engines today aren't like the old carbureted ones of the past. No over rich, choked starts. No worn rings and bearings at 70k miles. It really is amazing how well built and durable they are now. Just very complicated is all

They are very different, and two of those changes make a warm up more important. One is short piston skirts, and the other is the modern alloys used in the pistons and block (very different coefficient of thermal expansion). Those things make them more susceptible to piston slap until they are warmed up. And if you have audible piston slap, you are accelerating wear. A good general guideline is that if the engine is still making some noise (that it doesn't do warm), go real easy on it. If a person lives on a 55 mph highway and it's -20, let it warm up for 5 or 10 minutes before driving.

But the government doesn't want you to warm up your engine, because it wastes fuel. Which is why you will find bull**** articles on the internet, claiming that a warm up is bad for your engine. It's not.

Feb 19, 2018 | 09:42 PM

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Delta Echo

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Originally Posted by GlueGuy

That's a good plan. Modern engines & oils make the warmup far less critical than it has been in the past. .

Absolutely not true (see last post).

But for people who live in warm climates, it obviously doesn't require much warm up. Sub zero weather does.

Feb 19, 2018 | 09:49 PM

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sky Cowboy

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Originally Posted by GlueGuy

Sounds like a paradise where you live.
I always back into my drive way.
So in the morning I start it up, put on my seatbelt, turn the radio on, look for any idiot lights, if all is good put it in gear and idle down my 60 foot long driveway. The road from my place is a very slight climb maybe 3% so nothing much. Its a neighborhood full of family homes for the first mile.
The second mile is a main town street so a bit faster. Then its out onto a major hwy and a good hill probably 12% or so. But these trucks make so much power it still only needs half throttle. A mile on that hill and its fully warmed up if i decide to floor it to pass slower vehicles.