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Old 11-12-2017, 10:18 PM
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ZF 6 speed in my 97 CCSB 4x4

Just got through installing a ZF 6 speed in my 97 OBS.
I shortened my rear shaft by 13 inches and lengthen the front 13.

I decided to change the rear shaft to a one piece since it was shortened so much, that also let me do away with the carrier bearing. (nice added feature)

I used the original ZF 6 cooling lines also. I had to replace my radiator this spring and the replacement had cooler fittings for an automatic transmission so I just hooked the ZF lines to them.

Some on here had said the transmission wouldn't fit and would hit the floor pan. I didn't have this problem. The shifter tower is at the original place and the engine inclination is still the same place.

I did fab a new cross member from 2 x 2 x 1/4 square tubing and used the factory trans mount.

I am going to have to add some 4 degree spring wedges the rear end to turn the pinion down some, It goes from smooth to a vibration under slight acceleration and smooth again under heavy acceleration. I guess its going from slight down pinion to 0 (vibration from being totally straight) and then going slightly up under hard power.

I did this swap because my ZF 5 speed had a ton of gear roll over noise (400,000 miles) and with 3.55 gears and a 4.14 first gear ratio (came out of an IDI truck, I didn't know they were different when I bought the truck with a bad trans and put that one in. It was impossible to start off in high side with my backhoe on my goose neck on any slight grade.

I used my clutch master cylinder and the ZF 6 slave all worked perfect together.

Now I have basically a 5 speed with a granny low, but it also seems to be a lot closer ratio, in 2nd through 6th, it stays in the torque curve better now.

I also used my South Bend fly wheel but had a a clutch and pressure plate built by Tn. Brake and Clutch in Nashville Tn. They put organic lining on one side and a metallic lining on the other, this works great, its smooth and holds my 350 / 750 rwh no problem.

I pulled my enclosed trailer today with my car and all my track plunder and I took off in second just as good as the old ZF5 did in first, I love it.

It seemed several people have asked about this swap, and I always read where people said it wasn't worth it and it was a lot of trouble, but i noticed most that were saying that hadn't actually done one.

I say it's definitely worth it.
 
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:08 AM
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Did you have to use the transfer case that was originally behind the zf6, or could you use the 4405 that was used in the 97s? I have read that the output shaft is bigger on the zf6, so a transfer case from the superduty is needed. I'm glad that the swap worked out for you.
 
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:36 PM
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No the original transfer case would not work because of just what you said.


And I got the N/P 273 with the transmission and it's the electric shift version.


I still have to fab the shifter linkage on it or find a N/P 271 the manual version.
 
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:39 PM
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The ZF 6 is a lot more transmission, I didn't realize how much bigger till I got mine out and they set side by side.


My truck has always been loud in the cab, and I found out there was no insulation under the shift boot.


What was under it originally?
 
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A thick white rubbery insulation. You can get a new one on ebay. boot and insulation comes together. It will make a big difference. About $70
 
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Thank you brother Barnes I will check on it.
 
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How much weight difference would you say there was between the ZF5 and ZF6?
 
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How much weight difference would you say there was between the ZF5 and ZF6?


I didn't weigh the two, but I would say 50 lbs would be a good guess.
 
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Thanks, I am going to get one.......
 
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Originally Posted by idt-572
Just got through installing a ZF 6 speed in my 97 OBS.
I shortened my rear shaft by 13 inches and lengthen the front 13.

I decided to change the rear shaft to a one piece since it was shortened so much, that also let me do away with the carrier bearing. (nice added feature)

I used the original ZF 6 cooling lines also. I had to replace my radiator this spring and the replacement had cooler fittings for an automatic transmission so I just hooked the ZF lines to them.

Some on here had said the transmission wouldn't fit and would hit the floor pan. I didn't have this problem. The shifter tower is at the original place and the engine inclination is still the same place.

I did fab a new cross member from 2 x 2 x 1/4 square tubing and used the factory trans mount.

I am going to have to add some 4 degree spring wedges the rear end to turn the pinion down some, It goes from smooth to a vibration under slight acceleration and smooth again under heavy acceleration. I guess its going from slight down pinion to 0 (vibration from being totally straight) and then going slightly up under hard power.

I did this swap because my ZF 5 speed had a ton of gear roll over noise (400,000 miles) and with 3.55 gears and a 4.14 first gear ratio (came out of an IDI truck, I didn't know they were different when I bought the truck with a bad trans and put that one in. It was impossible to start off in high side with my backhoe on my goose neck on any slight grade.

I used my clutch master cylinder and the ZF 6 slave all worked perfect together.

Now I have basically a 5 speed with a granny low, but it also seems to be a lot closer ratio, in 2nd through 6th, it stays in the torque curve better now.

I also used my South Bend fly wheel but had a a clutch and pressure plate built by Tn. Brake and Clutch in Nashville Tn. They put organic lining on one side and a metallic lining on the other, this works great, its smooth and holds my 350 / 750 rwh no problem.

I pulled my enclosed trailer today with my car and all my track plunder and I took off in second just as good as the old ZF5 did in first, I love it.

It seemed several people have asked about this swap, and I always read where people said it wasn't worth it and it was a lot of trouble, but i noticed most that were saying that hadn't actually done one.

I say it's definitely worth it.
What about bell housing and transmission shaft length?
 
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It shortened it 13 inches total, that’s transmission and transfer case total. Also sans the carrier bearing, and built a one piece drive shaft.
 
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It’s a great swap my brother did the swap to his single cab 5speed 4.10 truck definitely worth it. We actually just used a 4x4 e4od crossmember and drilled 2 new holes for the trans mount. And bolted the crossmember to the factory pre drilled holes in his frame.
 
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Originally Posted by ecw1999
What about bell housing and transmission shaft length?
I got rid of my E4OD and replaced it with a ZF6. As I recall, the E4OD came with a thicker cast aluminum spacer between the engine and bellhousing, the ZF6 uses a thinner spacer. Swapping from a ZF5 to a ZF6 I don't know but I assume (famous last words) that the distance will be the same and no spacer change is needed.

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