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Old Nov 5, 2017 | 06:52 PM
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One thing I shouls have mentioned but I am over-winded anyways...

Once you determine/repair any defective hardware, the final adjustment should go like this. You fully adjust the star wheel so the shoes are making full contact with the hat drum. This ensures the assembly is self-centering on the backing plate. You then back them out until a faint drag is head.

New shoes may not conform to the drum inside radius, i.e. it may take a while for the shoe radius to meet the drum radius for full contact. It is just like new brake shoes, they may require a few manual adjustments until they fully seat the drum. Remember, this setup is not self adjusting and needs to be manually adjusted on a service schedule.

Depending on year and design, the cables may or may not have adjustment. If stretched they have to be replaced.

The requirement is there to prevent a roll-away. Say you go into get a six-pack and walk bask out and the truck has rolled off into the river...
That is how I adjusted them. I adjusted the star wheel until it would not go any further and the drum was locked up tight. I then backed off until the drum would just barley turn using a breaker bar. I then pressed the Parking brake to make sure the shoes were centered on the drum and did the adjustment again following the same procedure. Will find out Monday or Tuesday if it works. Thanks for your help.
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Old Nov 8, 2017 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by KULTULZ
One thing I shouls have mentioned but I am over-winded anyways...

Once you determine/repair any defective hardware, the final adjustment should go like this. You fully adjust the star wheel so the shoes are making full contact with the hat drum. This ensures the assembly is self-centering on the backing plate. You then back them out until a faint drag is head.

New shoes may not conform to the drum inside radius, i.e. it may take a while for the shoe radius to meet the drum radius for full contact. It is just like new brake shoes, they may require a few manual adjustments until they fully seat the drum. Remember, this setup is not self adjusting and needs to be manually adjusted on a service schedule.

Depending on year and design, the cables may or may not have adjustment. If stretched they have to be replaced.

The requirement is there to prevent a roll-away. Say you go into get a six-pack and walk bask out and the truck has rolled off into the river...
Well I got the new tires and rims installed on the truck today so I could test the parking brake. Still have the same problem. Slight incline with Parking brake on and it still does not hold the truck from moving. Guess I will have to readjust the brake shoes again and keep trying. I am at a loss as to what else it could be. Everything is new except the cables, but they are OK and the levers are free and they move. It has to be as you suggest. I can't think of anything else. I will readjust the ebrake shoes again I did notice after running the truck around the block that the parking brake pedal moves further down when depressed. That indicates to me they need adjustment again. Probably centered on the hat drum.
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Old Nov 10, 2017 | 09:02 AM
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So far nothing has worked. I've had the drums off a half dozen times and checked everything. Nothing is bound up. everything is free and working. the levers are free and move like they should. All hard ware is new and so are the brake shoes. Out of desperation I will replace the cables today weather permitting. The cables do not appear to be stretched. They are tight and there is no slack in them. I don't know what else to do. I have read several other posts of people with the same type problem. This appears to be one of Fords Better Crummy Ideas. If I can't get it fixed I will trade it off and get a chevy that will pass safety inspection.. I am tired of messing with it. I am about to give up. Anyone else have any ideas? Has anyone else ever solved this problem. I would like to hear from you. I have tried everything suggested so far and have replaced everything except the hat drums and the cables.
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Old Nov 10, 2017 | 09:19 AM
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My experience is that this rear ebrake design is not the best. I have found that if you adjust the star wheel and brake shoes too tight, the ebrake pedal is hard to push down as it is right near the top of its travel. At the top of travel the ebrake pedal doesn’t offer much leverage advantage. Sometimes if you back the star wheel off a bit more so the ebrake pedal easily goes down 1/3 of the way you will have better leverage to apply the ebrake.

Does your ebrake hold better in reverse as opposed to holding in drive?
 
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Old Nov 10, 2017 | 09:33 AM
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My experience is that this rear ebrake design is not the best. I have found that if you adjust the star wheel and brake shoes too tight, the ebrake pedal is hard to push down as it is right near the top of its travel. At the top of travel the ebrake pedal doesn’t offer much leverage advantage. Sometimes if you back the star wheel off a bit more so the ebrake pedal easily goes down 1/3 of the way you will have better leverage to apply the ebrake.

Does your ebrake hold better in reverse as opposed to holding in drive?
Yes it holds better in reverse. What does that indicate?
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Old Nov 10, 2017 | 01:18 PM
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Yes it holds better in reverse. What does that indicate?
That indicates that all is normal.
I usually run those levers through the sand blaster to clean them up.
(They we’re not part of your new hardware kit, right?)

How far down does your ebrake pedal move when you apply the ebrake?

New ebrake shoes don’t always match the curvature of the worn drum surface.
(Back in the day we used to have brake shoes arc ground to match the curvature of each drum.) You could apply the ebrake lightly and drive up and down the driveway to clean the drums up and wear in the shoes to match each respective drum.

You should not need a breaker bar to rotate the rotor with the ebrake off. You want to just barely hear/feel a faint rubbing sound when you rotate the rotor with the ebrake off. I find that I have more ebrake holding power when the ebrake pedal is about half way down.

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Old Nov 10, 2017 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pdqford
That indicates that all is normal.
I usually run those levers through the sand blaster to clean them up.
(They we’re not part of your new hardware kit, right?)

How far down does your ebrake pedal move when you apply the ebrake?

New ebrake shoes don’t always match the curvature of the worn drum surface.
(Back in the day we used to have brake shoes arc ground to match the curvature of each drum.) You could apply the ebrake lightly and drive up and down the driveway to clean the drums up and wear in the shoes to match each respective drum.

You should not need a breaker bar to rotate the rotor with the ebrake off. You want to just barely hear/feel a faint rubbing sound when you rotate the rotor with the ebrake off. I find that I have more ebrake holding power when the ebrake pedal is about half way down.

Good Luck.
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Old Nov 10, 2017 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pdqford
That indicates that all is normal.
I usually run those levers through the sand blaster to clean them up.
(They we’re not part of your new hardware kit, right?)

How far down does your ebrake pedal move when you apply the ebrake?

New ebrake shoes don’t always match the curvature of the worn drum surface.
(Back in the day we used to have brake shoes arc ground to match the curvature of each drum.) You could apply the ebrake lightly and drive up and down the driveway to clean the drums up and wear in the shoes to match each respective drum.

You should not need a breaker bar to rotate the rotor with the ebrake off. You want to just barely hear/feel a faint rubbing sound when you rotate the rotor with the ebrake off. I find that I have more ebrake holding power when the ebrake pedal is about half way down.

Good Luck.
I used a wire brush on a grinder to clean the levers until they were shiny. I use to arc grind brake shoes back in the 70's, but they don't do that anymore. I think that is the problem the small ebrake shoes need every bit of surface to hold. very poor design on Ford part. I drove around a bit with the ebrake on to see if that would seat the shoes. I guess that it worked because the ebrake worked enough to pass safety inspection today. Thanks to you and everyone else who supplied information and help in the forum. I did not install new brake cables after checking them again and found they were fine. as far as how far the pedal went when depressed, that depended on how tight I adjusted the ebrakes. Right now the pedal goes about 1/4 of the way when depressed unless I really stand on it. It is working good enough now so I won't mess with it any more except to maybe loosen the adjustment a few notches. Thanks again.
Mel
 
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