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I think with a gooseneck or 5th wheel hitch I could haul 20K with my truck, almost legally, but it is not a dually and I wouldn't make a habit of it. I have done it, as is, with a backhoe and pintle hitch backhoe trailer. The backhoe trailer has eight electric brakes and eight tires that hold 100psi pressure and will easily stop the whole rig. You need the dually because with SRW and 20K if you you blow a back tire you go upside down in a ditch with a backhoe and trailer on top of you before you know what happened.
F450/F550 dually with 19.5 inch tires would make me feel good about it but an old semi might be cheaper. An old medium duty truck with 20+ inch tires would probably be best. I would have trouble trusting an old automatic for this application.
Guys with dumptrucks try to simultaneously haul a load of dirt and tow heavy equipment to a job. It's easy to overload a medium duty truck like this.
I think with a gooseneck or 5th wheel hitch I could haul 20K with my truck, almost legally....
Yeah, but "almost legally" means that you be legal for everything except the weight of the trailer you are towing, not that you'd be almost at the legal weight rating (which would be a lot lower than that). And it would mean that you'd be illegal.
Can someone successfully tow 20K with a '90 vintage Ford pickup? Almost certainly. Can they do it safely? Possibly, depending on the driver and the equipment being used. But personally I will never recommend that someone tow over the legal limit.
What I find is somewhat silly is they are basically saying, make your tow vehicle the lightest it can be and you can tow the highest load. Sure there are limits but as light as the pick ups are in the rear end, (even with the tongue weight), it can get crazy very fast in just a quick stop. I have always tried to keep my tow load lower than my tow vehicle. Yes, I have cheated that, but when i do, I try to plan for even the crazy driver doing something really stupid. OK, the drivers that are doing something more stupid than what i'm doing.
What I find is somewhat silly is they are basically saying, make your tow vehicle the lightest it can be and you can tow the highest load. Sure there are limits but as light as the pick ups are in the rear end, (even with the tongue weight), it can get crazy very fast in just a quick stop. I have always tried to keep my tow load lower than my tow vehicle. Yes, I have cheated that, but when i do, I try to plan for even the crazy driver doing something really stupid. OK, the drivers that are doing something more stupid than what i'm doing.
This is why proper tongue weight is important and good trailer brakes. When I was only 16 I towed a trailer equal to the weight of my truck regularly and never had a problem in thousands of miles. I am a defensive driver, took the time to ensure tongue weight was 10% of the load, and I rebuilt the trailer brake system (then maintained it). It's not feasible to have a truck weigh more than the trailer in many situations, that does not mean it's a bad idea if properly equipped. I hear what you're saying though, hedging your bets for safety is never a bad idea.
IIRC my owner's manual has a listing for a 1991 F250 and a weight of 18,500lbs. I have no idea how they arrived at that weight and am not sure I got the number right. I got it off the top of my head. But I did attempt to look it up before towing.
But anyway, the weight was not out of the question by any means. And it is not a question of using the smallest vehicle possible. It is about making do with what you have access to.
I had a contractor work on my place years ago and they moved a backhoe and bulldozer with a SRW F250. It was common practice, years ago. Not saying it was a good idea then and these trucks were just about new then. With a decades old truck, trying to tow more than it was designed, you would be asking for trouble.
Don't try this at home, kids. If you read my posts I said get a medium duty truck with 20+" wheels and still be careful to not overload it.
What I find is somewhat silly is they are basically saying, make your tow vehicle the lightest it can be and you can tow the highest load. Sure there are limits but as light as the pick ups are in the rear end, (even with the tongue weight), it can get crazy very fast in just a quick stop. I have always tried to keep my tow load lower than my tow vehicle. Yes, I have cheated that, but when i do, I try to plan for even the crazy driver doing something really stupid. OK, the drivers that are doing something more stupid than what i'm doing.
Not necessarily. I normally gross out @ 20,000lbs with my 97 F250. Completely legal (registered for the weight and Ford states it is rated for the weight)
It all comes down to being setup for what you are towing. AKA, dont get a 90 f150 to tow 7,000lbs
I think with a gooseneck or 5th wheel hitch I could haul 20K with my truck....
Originally Posted by HardScrabble
IIRC my owner's manual has a listing for a 1991 F250 and a weight of 18,500lbs....
Originally Posted by Diesel_Brad
Not necessarily. I normally gross out @ 20,000lbs with my 97 F250. Completely legal (registered for the weight and Ford states it is rated for the weight)....
My '97 owner's manual lists 18,500 GCWR for a 460/auto/4.10 and 20,000 GCWR for a diesel/auto/4.10. But as Brad said, that's the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating, not what it can haul, or what it can tow. You have to subtract the weight of the truck (typically 6000~7000 lbs) from that to know the total weight of what it can haul, and the weight of the truck and its cargo to know what it can tow.
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