Like Jerry said on the HP, the styling of the new Expedition has been updated, and while it might or might not appeal to you, the 9,300-pound towing capacity should!

 

Though slightly old, the video def either helps you appreciate the old design, or love the newer more. Seeing as though i ordered a limited, it helps me love what im getting, and black is going to make the limiteds accents pop. I noticed in the comments when the video first dropped that people were discouraged about the price, and though the est 74k for that particular truck is still steep, its not the 85k that ppl were believing the truck in the video to be.

 

Ok, looks like an oversized explorer, 22" rims that the tire selection is limited and replacements cost a fortune by comparison, lots of techno goodies....great lots of extra trips to the dealer to get things diagnosed and repaired (not just Ford, but sit around any dealership service center, video download whose technology likely comes from a single source....give it 5 years and see if there is a software issue if there is any support for this- and given that any MDT, IPAD, etc. can do this same thing, well, just any potential maintenance issue for a failure point...........they are loaded with this type of work on a daily basis, 9k tow rating...... that's common today and honestly, most would not want to tow something that weighs more than 6k lbs....especially if it has some height in highway and wind conditions...the tail of that expy will be "singing in the wind"....... all for a price that is gonna cost you $75k plus tax, license, dealer prep..... say hello to around $90K

Oh I forget, the start/stop feature.......saves fuel, no, just a "tool" in the toolbox to help with the emissions testing.... but think about this with the eco engine...... How about this scenario. Some dad/mom/grandpa/grandma pulling a fully loaded expy with a tandem axle trailer behind it up a mountain pass, and has to stop for a road crew, as they stop the stop / start function kills the engine and all that searing heat from both turbos and the engine itself start to cook the oil- just how many times can this happen before the turbo's "surrender"- Let me know how that Ford warranty will works out you...........

Just IMHO of course

 

The expedition since its inception until 2011 has always looked like a "larger" explorer. The wheels on the vehicle in the video are the 20in rims only avail on the limited. I would suspect the expy sales will balloon in the coming months, with the tradionalists seeking the deals and old school charm of the 17s, and the millennial and "connected families" wanting the 18s for the advanced features, modernity of the looks and tech, and increased usability.

http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/latest-reviews/flash-drive-2018-lincoln-navigator-review-article-1.3509479

 

The connected families thing is a huge factor for buyers now... my sister has five kids, and they didn't even consider anything which didn't have the crazy rear seat entertainment packages, for better or worse.

 

Haters gonna hate. That's simply not true about tires. Is $40-$50 total over 60k miles a fortune? At Tirerack.com, for high quality Michelin LT XM tires, 22s cost $14 more than the 18s, and only $11 more than the 20s. If $40-$50 total moves someone's needle over ~60k miles they are looking at the wrong vehicle. And if a $75k vehicle turns into a $90k vehicle out the door, that's either 20% sales tax (nope) or $15k in dealer prep (nope).


I'm not a fan of auto-stop, but like it or not it's the future and easily permanently or temporarily overridden.


Not adopting new technology is like not knocking the corners off a square rock and turning it into a wheel in the stone age. Does it cost more to do it?, yes, does it generally produce a better product? yes. The train has left the station, we can either get onboard or be left behind. A parent having a single close call where an auto-braking system or blind spot monitor, or ABS, or 10 air bags saved the life of their child would likely change their mind. just MHO

 

The auto start stop is disabled when in tow/haul
mode.

 

as far as Tires go.....would not touch anything that the "Michelin" family owns.........defects galore.....*****c's were threatened with jail time overseas.......spontaneous tire failures, and no responsibility except...it's the customers fault.

So when you take away, the Michelin lines including BFG, etc...... now see what is left...and the tire prices are $40 each higher...especially when you include all applicable taxes.

with regards to....And if a $75k vehicle turns into a $90k vehicle out the door, that's either 20% sales tax (nope) or $15k in dealer prep (nope).

My wife who is a notary, was doing documents for local dealers as long as 5 years ago......for car loans that were $70K+ with the + or - 10% tax (common in SoCal) and dealer add-ons..... and this was at Ford & GM dealerships...... many/most of the docs were for SUV's. here's the better kicker and was a-typical of the loans....

Trade in.....still owes $20K
Down Payment..... $10k
New vehicle.... $75K
Total loan amount: $85K
Loan duration 7+ years

With regards to "Not adopting new technology is like not knocking the corners off a square rock and turning it into a wheel in the stone age", I am a specialty engineer and come from a aerospace family dating back to the early 1960's.... whose work included solar power development.

But here is the issue...... The difference between a Boeing Aircraft and a Ford Ecoboost is this....

No matter what the issue with a Boeing aircraft, it can be repaired in the field....in any country.... try that with a new Ford Ecoboost drivetrain and it's technology.....and let's talk safety for a minute. The newer steering systems are electric and ECM controlled..... all good...... now the entertainment system can be remotely hacked.... software is available on the black web easily obtainable by anyone..... and anyone with common IT skills today (including high school age kids) can pull a prank....... such as taking over complete and absolute control of the vehicle including the steering (once you drop the speed to 30 mph or lower)..... this includes the throttle, brakes, HVAC, wipers, door locks, entertainment system......

Just think, a kid who just wants to be a bit of a nasty child..... placing a family at risk..... and this has been well documented and demonstrated and validated years ago.....

Now, when automakers (not just Ford) have built vehicles so complex with computers that have more than 20 times the "power' of those used in the space shuttles........today the actual troubleshooting guides exceed 1.5 million pages, and are there cases where the fixes are unknown because there is absence of support to the local tech's....YES. An excellent example is Subaru..... 5 year old car (a neighbors) getting ready to go for a smog test (required)...gets a check engine light, takes it to the dealer and a second dealer who both affirm, they nor the mfg have any clue as to what is actually causing the check engine light...... only solution is to replace all front air bags and related controls. Is this a first for them...no, been dealing with it for several years......there is no tech support from the mfg on it....... so the choice....pay for repairs starting at $3k (with a high estimate of $15k) or park it because it won't pass a smog test with the check engine light on.

With regards to the EB engines and coking of the turbos...... there is no solution currently as Ford considers this a maintenance item...... $3k for each turbo.... IMHO most of this can be resolved by 1) idling the vehicle prior to shutdown for 1 minute (just like the big rig drivers do and have done per mfg for decades) and reduce the oil change frequency from the insane (IMHO and most mechanics who are experienced with turbo engines) from the 10-15k mile frequencies.

Examples...........

Black oil from Ecoboost motor - FORD - FlatRateTech

“You are supposed to go 5K-7.5K on an LOF. That way, Ford can sell you either another vehicle, or an engine, after 100K pops up on the clock. Providing it makes it that far.”

“You could try and get into the habit of letting your vehicle idle for a minute or” 2 prior to shutting it off every time you park it.”

“Turbo engines beat the "H" out of oil like motorcycles.”

“Knowing the Ford engines and my experience with Mazda, I wouldn't push the oil change interval past 4k miles regardless of synthetic or not. Especially if you beat on the car.”

“Car manufacturers use the customers as lab rats for testing. I'd be concerned that the oil is taking a beating due to the DI, heat from the turbocharger working overtime, and so on. The turbo won't be the only thing taking a beating either.”

Ecoboost Blues - FORD - FlatRateTech

fullsizeblazin December 4, 2014

“The black "soot" on the tail pipes is actually oil blow by from the leaky turbos. That's why all turbo Fords smoke so bad. They think they can survive 7,500 miles between oil changes.”

Karrpilot December 2014

“With customers who buy into those 5-7K oil changes, and we have a ticking time bomb.”

Ecoboost Blues - FORD - FlatRateTech

ok44 January 2015

“It would seem to me that especially aged, high miles oil is going to have a real tendency to coke up when subjected to conditions like that. I've changed a number of turbochargers out (foreign cars) and every single one of them failed due to coked oil; and those were ones without the start/stop feature.”

“Ford is just like all the rest; as long as that vehicle makes it through the warranty period or even better, gets wiped out in a collision and hauled to the boneyard, they're content......”

Ecoboost Blues - FORD - FlatRateTech

Karrpilot January 2015

“Makes me wonder how Ford is going to get out of paying all those claims against them if the customer's follow their owners guide maintenance intervals. Yep. 100K tune ups, 100K coolant change out, 7.5K LOF's, not servicing the PTU units, transmissions, etc.”

“Me thinks I am going to be having my hands quite full in the coming years...............”

 

Help us understand why you post in this thread. Why so negative and butt hurt?

If you don't like the new Expeditions simply walk away, especially if $140 over 60k mile in your myopic tire case constitutes a "fortune".

If someone chooses to finance a vehicle then yes the total payment value exceeds the purchase price, is that unique to the new Expeditions? Not sure how that plays in to this thread.

The remainder of your post involved a tangent about Boeing (who has its share of skeletons in the closet) and protracted negative posts of the EcoBoost motor from 2.5 to almost 3 years ago.

Why are you trying so hard to discredit the new Expedition and run it into the ground in this Expedition forum? If you don't like it just move along.

 

Late reply, but start/stop doesn't activate when towing a trailer. If you have a trailer brake controller hooked up to the truck (at least for the F150--I'm sure it's identical for the Expedition) start/stop is automatically shut off. Some goes for engaging in 4WD.

If the driver knows the engine is struggling and might not be able to handle start/stop, they can just push the button.