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Old Sep 15, 2017 | 05:39 PM
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Wiring issue. Again. '67 F100. Just put in a new wiring harness. Noticed the fuel gauge wasn't working. Also the light bulb in that section of the cluster isn't working. Thought it may have been a bad voltage regulator or sending until. Replaced the sending unit. Nothing. Replaced the regulator. Nothing. I read on here to try grounding the fuel sending wire to check it. Not sure how to do that? Any other ideas of where to look?
 
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With the key on, ground that wire to any cab bare metal. Like maybe the ground wire's screw.
 
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Its the Orange wire that's on the sending unit. an do like Jeff says to do. Don't worry no sparks when doing so....
 
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by orich
Its the Orange wire that's on the sending unit. an do like Jeff says to do. Don't worry no sparks when doing so....
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With the key on, ground that wire to any cab bare metal. Like maybe the ground wire's screw.
I'm assuming I did this right. I took the wire from where it connects to the send unit and out it somewhere to ground it while the ignition was turned to on. When I did that nothing happened.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 12:54 PM
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Did you put a volt meter on the wire, after you pulled the wire off the sender terminal, to see if you had voltage on that wire (with the key on).

If there isn't any voltage on the wire, then obviously the fuel gauge isn't going to read if it doesn't have a source voltage to begin with. If there is voltage on the wire, something is amiss with the fuel gauge itself.

Also note: The signal to the fuel sending unit is not a constant voltage signal. It's pulsed (on-off-on-off) from the small instrument cluster voltage regulator on the back of the instrument cluster. You may have difficulty trying to read the voltage on the fuel sender wire with a digital volt/ohm meter --digital multi-meters are averaging devices. The meter display will likely blink erratically with a DVOM.

If you have an analog voltmeter, you will see the needle swing back and forth as voltage is cycled on and off through the wire. If you don't have an analog meter, an automotive test light will work. You'll see the test light bulb blink on and off, if the wire is seeing a voltage pulse on it.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ultraranger
Did you put a volt meter on the wire, after you pulled the wire off the sender terminal, to see if you had voltage on that wire (with the key on).

If there isn't any voltage on the wire, then obviously the fuel gauge isn't going to read if it doesn't have a source voltage to begin with. If there is voltage on the wire, something is amiss with the fuel gauge itself.

Also note: The signal to the fuel sending unit is not a constant voltage signal. It's pulsed (on-off-on-off) from the small instrument cluster voltage regulator on the back of the instrument cluster. You may have difficulty trying to read the voltage on the fuel sender wire with a digital volt/ohm meter --digital multi-meters are averaging devices. The meter display will likely blink erratically with a DVOM.

If you have an analog voltmeter, you will see the needle swing back and forth as voltage is cycled on and off through the wire. If you don't have an analog meter, an automotive test light will work. You'll see the test light bulb blink on and off, if the wire is seeing a voltage pulse on it.
I did not check the voltage. I will see if anyone I know has an analog meter. If not, I will try the bulb thing. I'm hoping it isn't the gauge. I noticed the temp gauge doesn't seem to work either. So I very well may need a whole new cluster.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 02:48 PM
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I did not check the voltage. I will see if anyone I know has an analog meter. If not, I will try the bulb thing. I'm hoping it isn't the gauge. I noticed the temp gauge doesn't seem to work either. So I very well may need a whole new cluster.
If none of the instruments work, it may just be a bad instrument cluster voltage regulator.



ICVR on the back of the instrument cluster.

 
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 05:37 PM
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If none of the instruments work, it may just be a bad instrument cluster voltage regulator.



ICVR on the back of the instrument cluster.

I put in a brand new one. So I hope it's not that.
 
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Swap your old one back in as a test.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2017 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JEFFFAFA
Swap your old one back in as a test.
Old one of what? The fuel sending unit or the voltage regulator? When I replaced them I did it individually just in case it was one or the other.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2017 | 07:34 PM
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Old one of what? The fuel sending unit or the voltage regulator? When I replaced them I did it individually just in case it was one or the other.
The ICVR regulator. Still check the sender wire for power. But it sounds like there isn't any power there. So the wire from gauge to sender could be bad or not wired correctly. Could be the ICVR is a bad made in china piece. Or the gauge. Or the fuse that powers it.


 
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Old Sep 22, 2017 | 10:38 AM
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The ICVR regulator. Still check the sender wire for power. But it sounds like there isn't any power there. So the wire from gauge to sender could be bad or not wired correctly. Could be the ICVR is a bad made in china piece. Or the gauge. Or the fuse that powers it.
So I checked the voltage at the sending unit. Nothing. I put in the old regulator. Nothing. Checked the input wire on the regulator and had 12 volts. Output wire was around 2-3. Put the new regulator on. 12 volts going in and 5 coming out. I checked where the output wire connects to the gauge on the cluster and it registered 5 volts. Checked where the fuel sending unit wire connects to the gauge and it was pulsing; ranging from 1-3 volts. So I'm guessing it is the wiring somewhere between the gauge and the unit?

If so, how do I check that? The wire goes from the sending unit to a harness, then the instrument cluster harness, then directly to the gauge.
 
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So I checked the voltage at the sending unit. Nothing. I put in the old regulator. Nothing. Checked the input wire on the regulator and had 12 volts. Output wire was around 2-3. Put the new regulator on. 12 volts going in and 5 coming out. I checked where the output wire connects to the gauge on the cluster and it registered 5 volts. Checked where the fuel sending unit wire connects to the gauge and it was pulsing; ranging from 1-3 volts. So I'm guessing it is the wiring somewhere between the gauge and the unit?

If so, how do I check that? The wire goes from the sending unit to a harness, then the instrument cluster harness, then directly to the gauge.
I guess it pays to read the directions all the way, even when it addresses parts I don't have. My new wiring harness allows for two tanks. Since I don't have two, I skipped the directions. If I hadn't I would have seen that I was supposed to connect two wires if I only have the one tank.
 
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I guess it pays to read the directions all the way, even when it addresses parts I don't have. My new wiring harness allows for two tanks. Since I don't have two, I skipped the directions. If I hadn't I would have seen that I was supposed to connect two wires if I only have the one tank.
Ah. So I gather you were successful?
 
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Old Sep 27, 2017 | 03:40 AM
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Ah. So I gather you were successful?
I was. Thank you. Next problem to fix is the reverse lights. But I'm still researching that one and have some ideas to try before I may need help.
 
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