Hey, guys. My 03 is about due for a couple of injectors. The stealership told me I have #4 and #5 on the way out. I have someone who can thankfully do the labor for reasonable. Am I better off having mine rebuilt or getting remans? My truck has about 236,000 miles on her. She still runs like a champ, well, she will once she gets her new ICP and pigtail! thanks, guys!

 

Ford reman is the only way to go. Anyone else here will tell you the same, unless you like rolling the dice and doing things twice.

Try Autonation Ford out of White Bear Lake, MN......or Ed at ficmrepair.com for the best prices.

FYI.....you can reuse the valve cover gaskets unless they are damaged, save some money there.

 

I'm confused on the whole reman is the only way to go. I didn't think there was anything else out there.......just companies using cores and rebuilding them.

Aren't all injectors out there ford product?

Just curious.

 

True, there are other companies out there rebuilding Ford/Navistar injectors, they just don't always get it right the first time.
I have heard that Alliant is as good/even the same place Ford uses, but have not confirmed that.

I'll bet there are at least one hundred threads here about someone that went o xyz auto parts, ebay, etc. and then comes here with a problem...........ends up being the injector. I recall one thread of some fellow that tried two aftermarket remans and finally ended up getting a Ford reman.

 

I have talked with Ed about what Alliant has.
The now have a 100% new injector that has the
same 2 year warrantee as Ford does.

 

Cool. I'll go with Alliant then. I'd rather not ***** around with it, and get it right the first time. It's best to replace all 8, right, since the 2 that are going are on opposite banks?

 

You don't have to replace them all. How many miles on the truck? If you are around 200k then yes it might make sense but there are folks that will just replace the faulty ones.

I would be sure the charging system is up to the task. You have any way to monitor data live?

 

236k miles, it might be worth doing all of them. It's a toss up; sometimes dead injectors being compensated for (aka dragging others down) hide marginal sticks and you can start chasing contribution issues until they're all replaced. Other times they're just fine for another 100k miles.

If you're in the position of paying for labor and the guy has to go under each oil rail already for the known bad ones, then the cost/benefit calculation of additional labor for additional failures in the near future vs parts costs now starts skewing heavily towards replace all of them.

An uncompensated test in IDS at a Ford dealer might give a better overall picture of the other six injectors, but if they rip you for an hour.5 of labor for the test that's almost the parts cost of a 3rd injector. Flag time is going to be in the neighborhood of 2.2 hours for the first one on the left, 2.8 hours for the first one on the right, plus .2 for each injector per side. So 6 injectors times 0.2 hours (for the other six, since you're already in for 5 hours for the dead two), the additional labor cost for doing it all at once once is half of doing a single stick in the future. If you can swing $220 a stick times six now in parts costs, you save minimum 2.0 hours of labor for any additional failure.

If any single injector dies after these two are replaced, you're out the cost of doing two now. The break even is if you have three injectors that need swapping in the near future, you're better off taking the parts cost hit now versus labor in the future.

At 236k on an '03 an HPOP is a probable failure if it hasn't been done yet; I'd call the average life of that year pump ~150k, lots of reports of less than 100k on reman stock units. Not a negligible expense to consider, if the HPOP hasn't been changed I would for sure pay for an IDS diagnosis of the overall HPO system.

 

I was just wondering since I just installed some warren 175/30's but I'm sure they have a good reputation for a reason?

Just curious

 

A 175/30 is going to have a minimum amount of new components as part of the capacity and nozzle change. That's different from a hack rebuild of an OEM spec unit that might reuse marginal components.

Warren might start with Alliant remans (or maybe new), but you're getting a new nozzle for sure. I'd probably use an Alliant remain with a 24mo/unlimited warranty, but IMO MC will have a minimum QC spec no matter where it came from. Dipaco talks about upgraded plungers and spool valves, but OEM spec was fine for those parts.

 

I figure they have to be doing something right considering the following they have.

 

They're still an upgrade, not a stock stick when you're talking capacity and nozzle changes.

Warren OEM spec injectors are straight Alliant remans at $225 a stick, nothing special there. You can get the same part from Xtreme Diesel for $199.36, and don't have to buy a set of 8 all at once.

 

Got it

Thanks

 

You might want to check with Ed on that price it is a bit higher than what he
was telling me for the Warren stock injectors. They really have a wide selection
on what you want to have done to the injector. Starting in the low $100 range
up to all new parts less the body of the injector is how I think he explained it to
me. Would be nice to have Ed drop in and do some education on injector pricing.

Mind you I might be getting numbers mixed up with other things.

 

Warren has a great following because of customer service. They have had plenty of "quality" issues in the past however. Seems that they stuck with the buyers and made good though. Haven't paid attention to recent track records though.