Quick question about oil
Hotshot
Joined: Mar 2014
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From: Douglassville, PA
It seems that they've changed the oil formula, not the qualifications for your oil to be compatible. If you have old oil that is CJ-4 you're good to go. I have an batch of T-6 on the shelf and I don't drive much so I'm good for a while yet.
Post Fiend
Joined: Mar 2002
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From: Bonita Springs FL
If you're talking about the old CJ-4 spec stuff, you're fine to keep using it. As for the new CK-4 oils, the debate rages on and no one seems to have any solid answers that pertain to the 7.3L.
Postmaster
Joined: Nov 2015
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From: Colorado Springs
Need advice from an oil expert here online. Api lists trial 15w40 synthetic oil as meeting cj4, but only has 3 products listed on Api, none of which are 5w40. Does that mean those products don't meat the standard, or have they just not been submitted. It's a great deal, and I could run 15w40 here in California.
WHY ARE OUR PRODUCTS NOT API LICENSED
API only licenses pe-approved formulations which in general are sold by most brands, as API licensed fluids. At TRIAX, we are not satisfied with cookie cutter formulations. Most of our products are built on a foundation product but have been heavily modified to increase the oil's performance beyond what API requires, in all respects. Our improvements are being treated by API as a whole new formulation. To license new formulations the cost is between 350,000 USD to 1 MILLION USD per fluid, which is extremely expensive and unnecessary. All of our products will meet or exceed the performance requirements which make up the respective API specification, in virtually every single criteria. Essentially, 99% of API licensed fluids are the same few formulations being sold under hundreds of different brands. We want to stand apart from the crowd and bring our customers the absolute best engine protection today's technology can offer.
Take the above for what it is, I can only speak to how my truck runs with it. I can hear the difference and others have said the same. When I hit 5K, I plan on sending in a sample for analysis. That should provide some concrete numbers on performance.
Hotshot
Joined: Dec 2012
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From: Las Cruces New Mexico
There's still plenty of Siinopec CJ4 oil available I used it alot on the work trucks and diesel equipment we had and it worked great, but when it comes to my truck I want the best, I might try the TRIAX this round, I just don't want my engine to prematurely wear.
New User
Joined: Nov 2007
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From: Gold Canyon, AZ
Ford has published a list of the CK-4 oils that meet its new WSS-M2C171-F1 spec. Here is a copy of the link.
https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubrican...SSM2C171F1.pdf
All CJ-4 oils meet that spec.
No FA-4 oils meet that spec because of viscosity reasons.
"Ford will not be recommending the use of CK-4 motor oils in any Ford diesel engines,
new or old. Ford testing has shown some CK-4 type formulations have shown
inadequate wear protection compared to CJ-4 formulations developed and licensed
before 2016." so basically any CJ-4 oil is good to go - if you can find it. This does not mean a CK-4 oil that also has CJ-4 on the label.
I would not use a CK-4 oil that was not on that list.
https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubrican...SSM2C171F1.pdf
All CJ-4 oils meet that spec.
No FA-4 oils meet that spec because of viscosity reasons.
"Ford will not be recommending the use of CK-4 motor oils in any Ford diesel engines,
new or old. Ford testing has shown some CK-4 type formulations have shown
inadequate wear protection compared to CJ-4 formulations developed and licensed
before 2016." so basically any CJ-4 oil is good to go - if you can find it. This does not mean a CK-4 oil that also has CJ-4 on the label.
I would not use a CK-4 oil that was not on that list.
New User
Joined: Nov 2007
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From: Gold Canyon, AZ
None of the oils Freakify posted up are acceptable by Ford. They do not meet Ford's new WSS-M2C171-F1 spec. These are all CK-4 oils even though they have CJ-4 on the back label. A true CJ-4 oil will have no mention of CK-4 on it.
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Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jan 2014
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From: Staunton, VA
I've been using a CK-4 oil that wasn't on that list for 4800 miles now - T4 15W40.
So far I haven't noticed a difference, but in 200 miles I will have an oil sample from running it. I will also be switching over to Schaeffer's this time due to high praise from a couple of my customers (and the price ain't bad either).
I honestly don't see anything wrong with having ran CK-4, all the engineers I spoke too said it meets the requirements of International's T444Es so that was good enough for me. We shall know soon enough though.
So far I haven't noticed a difference, but in 200 miles I will have an oil sample from running it. I will also be switching over to Schaeffer's this time due to high praise from a couple of my customers (and the price ain't bad either).
I honestly don't see anything wrong with having ran CK-4, all the engineers I spoke too said it meets the requirements of International's T444Es so that was good enough for me. We shall know soon enough though.
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From: Near Rockford Illinois
Royal Purple
This is what I am currently using..
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jan 2014
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From: Staunton, VA
Im waiting on my CK-4 oil sample to be processed, I'm running Schaeffer's now and so far the truck seems alright with it - actually a little bit less of a shimmy at idle - not a lot less, but it is noticeable.
Cargo Master
Joined: Aug 2009
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From: Glendive, MT
The new ford spec is listed on Amsoil's web site. They also offer an oil recommended for pre 2007 engines.
AMSOIL Heavy-Duty Synthetic Diesel Oil 5W-40
AMSOIL Heavy-Duty Synthetic Diesel Oil 5W-40
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jul 2003
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From: Springfield, PA
Tom Brown lost my confidence at 6:30 in the video when he stated the reason we see water dripping out of the tailpipe is due to humidity in the air. Uh, no. It's due to water being one of the two main by-products of gasoline/diesel combustion, the other being CO2. Yes, he's correct in that all engine could also be called "water pumps" as "water" does flow through the engine, but most of the water is created as a gas during expansion and condenses in the exhaust pipes.
I guess "Certified Lube Specialist" is Amsoil for Salesman.
I guess "Certified Lube Specialist" is Amsoil for Salesman.
