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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SkiSmuggs
I did Google it and what I read says it doesn't mix with water. That tells me demulsifier rather than emulsifier which makes water mix with fuel.


You are probably right, I have researched this issue till I'm With the warranty issues in question, I am cautious, probably overly so, but I cannot afford to lose my warranty either.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 07:06 PM
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I can't believe there isn't a thread on this site that specifically discusses Fuel Additives.

I've read through the benefits of using them on both your ignition and emissions systems. Seems like something that should be used. The question is, which one is the "best".

So far I've narrowed it down to a few:

Diesel Kleen - seems to be a pretty good seller. I've seen a post I think in the 6.4 forum about someone that used it helping his regen cycle.

Stanadyne - This one seems to always be mentioned as one of the best

Liqui Moly - another one that is mentioned in a few places as one of the best

Royal Purple Max-Tane - Same deal - mentioned in a few places as one of the best

AR6200 - This seems to be a "compound" and I found 2 additives that contain it - Alliant Power Ultraguard and Archoil AR6200

The last one on at least my radar is Lucas fuel treatment

I haven't really figured out which one to go with. I'm guessing with like most of the other "stuff" any will "work". I need to find that "happy spot" in my brain so I'm not regretting my selection.

Wondering what everyone else is using if anything
And these are the additives I use at every fill up
This is the oil I use
if they are good enough to run in a almost 40 truck Fleet of garbage company thats combined CNG and diesel engines of course seeing CNG has its specific oil but we only use it from this company and I have seeing how well it work
 
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Old Oct 6, 2017 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by F250_Super_4X4
A very good fuel additive and the one I use and recommend when I question the quality of the fuel is TDR-FL (Temperate Climate) or TDR-WDA (Cold Climate) by Amalgamated, Inc. Its a very good everything in one (Cetane boost, Lubricity, Detergents, Stabilizers and Combustion Improvers). This product is historically used by Fleets but is currently available to the public in smaller packaging for the consumer. And no I am not affiliated in any way with this company.

Thanks for that info and if you served, thank you for your service.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2017 | 07:54 AM
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Thanks for that info and if you served, thank you for your service.
32 years US Army CSM (R),and thanks
 
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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 07:17 AM
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32 years US Army CSM (R),and thanks
32 years, thank you for dedicating your life to defend the freedom we take for granted

For those with an extended warranty - why not use PM22A? Is there 'better' / more effective fuel additives out there? The research I did and reading through this thread would indicate that there is. I'm one of those paranoid ones, and was scared off by folks talking about additives that absorb water allowing it to get past the water separator and into the fuel system. Then I found out that Ford makes one - PM22A which I'll use until my extended warranty ends. Then I'll probably go with K-100.
 
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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 07:47 AM
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This video from Ford should help resolve the question of whether or not to use a quality fuel conditioner.
And for the folks who ask how often to use it, every tank is the correct answer.
And this video is the first time I have seen the amount of cetane boost provided by PM22A
 
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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by F250_Super_4X4
32 years US Army CSM (R),and thanks

You're welcome. It's a big deal to me to acknowledge current and retired military vets...to thank them for serving.


I use my stuff at every fillup. After looking into our ULSD fuel, I worried about the moisture problem and the effect on my fuel system. I use it first for water protection, second to add lubrication to the fuel and thirdly for the anti-gelling of fuel during our cold winters. The other benefits claimed such as cleaning and cetane increase was considered after water, lubrication and anti-gel.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2017 | 10:34 AM
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And this video is the first time I have seen the amount of cetane boost provided by PM22A
interesting that it says '4 to 6 points depending on the fuel quality'. How does it know?
 
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Old Oct 8, 2017 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck-B
interesting that it says '4 to 6 points depending on the fuel quality'. How does it know?
It does not know, but just improves low cetane fuel more. Opti-Lube Summer Plus, Dee-Zol, TDR-FL all add 5-7.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2017 | 08:18 AM
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Does it work?

I have a 2015 F250 6.7L Powerstroke. It has 40,000 miles and 50% of the time it is pulling a 16,000 LB trailer.
We sold our house, furniture, and pretty much all of our personal possessions. We travel 100% of the time so refueling at the same station is not an option. Every time we fuel up it is at a different station and likely in a different state.
I get 10.2 mpg pulling and 16.4 mpg when I am not pulling.
When I picked up the truck new it had 7 miles on it. Never have I added fuel and not also added Amalgamated TDR-FL Additive at a ratio of 1:400 which means that I add about 200 ml to each fill up.
Does it work?
I really do not know. For me, using these products is pretty much by faith. I use it because I do not trust the fuel makers and I do trust the additive maker and the cost to fix a high-end engine like mine due to poor fuel quality are reasons enough. Pay me now, or pay me later.
I keep very detailed fuel use and cost records.
It cost me $0.015 cents per mile to use TDR-FL. Fuel and DEF cost me $0.211 per mile.
So the added cost of additive is relatively small and worth it for the work, it is doing.
 
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Old Oct 20, 2017 | 07:09 AM
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After a tow trip of over 2000 miles, I can say that Everburn dramatically reduces the amount of soot in the exhaust system per the GPL (grams per liter) and DPF Load indicators on my Edge CTS. That does not translate to Ford's %DPF Full as with low soot, it becomes more a mileage indicator. I actually had a couple of regens at 400 miles with GPL under 1.00 and DPF Load at zero, plus one with the %DPF Full at 85% so there are regen triggers outside of these items.
I've only driven enough non towing miles to see that Enerburn doesn't keep soot from building under normal conditions, but I suspect it reduces soot with a cleaner burn and that it works like AR6200 under normal driving. Any soot reduction improves the life of engine oil, turbo and EGR even in deleted trucks (minus the EGR).
Fuel mileage has too many variables to determine if there was any improvement, plus I was using AR6200 prior so it is probably a wash. I got 11-12 mpg for the trip which included some non towing miles, but construction delays, accident delays, terrain and wind played a part in fuel mileage. I got about 12.2 the first day out and less after that with the all towing return trip at 11.2 with a 10K fifth wheel in tow at 62-64 mph.
I was a little puzzled by my comment about not preventing soot build up in normal driving as I have since seen remarkable soot reduction. While doing 6 mile round trips, soot does build, but less than without Enerburn. However, a 15-20 mile round trip shows soot levels plummeting during the drive because more time is spent with the engine at warmer temps. It does puzzle me that really cold weather seems to reduce soot even more.
 

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Old Oct 21, 2017 | 02:34 PM
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Just about every pump I’ve between MD and TN, read min Cetane 40....except for Southern States, where they advertise ‘Premium Diesel’, Min 50 Cetane. Use it every chance I get and use PM22 in every tank regardless. I notice a difference in what gear I come up the big hills when running 40-45 mph when using 50. That’s enough for me to pay the extra 10-15 cents a gallon is runs. Not sure who else might sell it, but if you can find some, give it a try.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 09:21 AM
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Carl, what brand sells the 50? With the minimal amount of driving I do the extra few cents a gallon is NBD. I wish I could find it.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 12:28 PM
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I get it at the fuel depot of Southern States http://https://www.southernstates.com/storelocations/index.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5oLlkN6E1wIVE1qGCh2Dd QsDEAAYASABEgLqd_D_BwE , a farm coop that runs in the these parts. Al the local guys swear by it. They market it as their PREIMUM DIESEL’, so if you can find one that sells fuel, you should be good to go. I think I also found it at one of the big truck fuel stops on I81, but I don’t remember which one. Hope this helps.

Haven’t tried it pulling anything of consequence, but normal running, which includes a 2 mile ride from 400 to 1800 feet each time out, Boosted my ave mph from 13.5 to 15.2. Regents were running about every 350 now go closer to 500 and on the hiway I got back to back over 700 which I didn’t even know was possible. It works for me.
 
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I carry a jug of diesel fuel cetane booster
 
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