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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 12:14 PM
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How bad is it?

This is a screen shot of a vehicle at idle. It was driven for 3-4 miles before I put an OBDII device on it. Owner is my BIL, he was attempting to drive to my house.

I know how bad it is.. what say you?
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 12:24 PM
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...I'm not seeing it?
 
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 12:26 PM
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His voltage is fine .....
 
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 12:30 PM
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 12:48 PM
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Thanks Jack....

Yesterday, it wouldn't start. We charged it all night. FICM was 35.7v. The seller towed it to the school. Full of water because it over heated. They drove it home, over heated on the way, filled with green coolant. puddle of water under the tail pipe yesterday. Oil as black as coal. #2 injector contribution, P0404, black smoke on throttle, clouds of white smoke, heavy puking, new degas tank, the old one exploded and had a hole drilled in it to relieve pressure. No power, turbo doesn't move.

It even passes VA inspection, I don't know how, but it did. $4300 and it's a E450 16 or 20 passenger van.

And whats the heck's wrong with my bucket? I'm beginning to hate that place!?!?
 
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 01:51 PM
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I'm going to say it's ALL blown; EGR cooler nuked the heads, now both are thoroughly trashed, repeated overheating has probably roasted a few other things (or filling with water when hot) like maybe an injector cup, fluid in the exhaust has somehow only rusted up the turbo and hasn't ended up in the intake to the point it locks the engine. Oil temps aren't quite to the point that I'm asking if you've checked if the oil filter standpipe is melted or not, but if that data was from cold on a short drive that's a real possibility.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 02:55 PM
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Now that you wrote all that, new engine and FICM and it should be fine......

I'm assuming BIL like projects? Knows someone handy with a diesel?
 
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 06:37 PM
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They called and said.... Well you have a 6.0 and we figured you'd know what to do. I said "drive it back, you spent $4300 for nothing". They are not happy. He said he could maybe trade for a 6.4 and I said I will not be helping with either vehicle.

It's trash. Head gaskets are toast, oil and EGR cooler are gone. FICM is done, and when I said $10,000 minimum she about passed out. What's really funny, the family thinks he's a car guy and you can't tell him anything.

For those that don't know. Photobucket changed their third party hosting. The free links to sites like this one are no longer free, all the links are not active unless you pay for them according to what I've read. Real shame all the threads will have no pictures to go along with them and I read the price was around $400 a year?

Bryan... The rig made it 3 miles and shut down with high temp. I read that temp after it sat for 20 minutes cooling off, it was probably 300° + before I got there and BIL said it looked like Old Faithful!
 
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 07:00 PM
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Need a long block or salvage engine,that ones done it time.
 
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Seems like the better bet would have been calling the 6.0 guy BEFORE buying one.

Hindsight's always been 20/20.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 09:58 PM
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Would not have happened. He's a car guy and you can't tell him anything. We had a test driver like that, the rest of us were always in amazment. He also was the only test driver I ever knew that put on gloves before taking any car out.

Anyway, Randy would have been always side tracked, and always at fault. For anything.

A bullet dodged but Thanksgiving will never be the same.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 10:03 PM
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Like Bryan, I am curious as to what the oil filter standpipe might have looked like!
 
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Old Jul 4, 2017 | 08:20 AM
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Jack, your a hammer, hit it square on the head. He reluctantly called me not long ago. The R/S Camaro keeps eating batteries and he's not happy, something's wrong. I tell him it's the alternator over the phone. He says NO, it's new. I say, it doesn't mean squat. It was the alternator, the shiny chrome one don't work even new, neither does the old one that it replaced.

Another battery and his wife calls me. This time it's her car, I pronounce battery dead with my new fangled battery tester, he's not buying, so i send him to the parts store. They test it good and he cusses my name... I'm sure.

Next morning she calls and says that the parts store told him I was wrong and it was fine, she confirmed the trash talking. She was calling from the dealer, where he was having the battery changed for $700 and if I said one word to him she may not be allowed to speak to her sister again.

I'm glad they didn't call! The funny part was my 18yo daughter told him "when they towed it to your school, didn't that mean it was broken"?
 
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Old Jul 4, 2017 | 08:46 AM
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For those of you looking at this thread and are either looking to buy, have just bought and/or having issues....

A short drive and a device capable of reading live data is MANDITORY to determine engine health. I'm not a 6.0 guru by any means, this vehicle was a total disaster for a buyer that doesn't know what to look for. The seller KNEW it had issues that were not disclosed at time of sale, they even touted a passing State inspection, clean exterior/interior, newer tires and the word of no known issues to date.

At minimum, a gauge of sorts ($150 or less) a few hours of research and/or a friend/member from here would have saved him $4300, tax, title and tags, insurance cost and now towing. It's over heated 6 times I'm being told. 2 times on the way home from school, 19 miles away and 4 times within 4 miles of the house.
A simple drive on the highway would have found a good portion of these issues... He didn't even drive it on the highway!

Drive it hard, get a gauge, get educated, and if you dont do any of these... bring someone who knows!
 
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Old Jul 4, 2017 | 10:13 AM
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Sounds like logic is only on the north face of the family tree.

His name wouldn't be Paul, would it? I've got a few bar evenings of Paul stories. Well, if my memory is good. Making vehicles mor bettr, finding the breaking point of tools, bolts, etc. Actually I had two Paul's, both inherited. Both expert in vehicular repair.

Early on I realized I inherited some issues. Paul 1 asked if he could stay after work to fix a u-joint on his 4x4, I stayed in the office trying to go through files to catch up on the facilities background. It didn't take long before Paul was finished and stopped in to say good night. I was impressed that I had an employee who could change out a u-joint that fast.

He made it about 50 feet out of the shop and onto the driveway, then I saw him walking back in. Appearently 4 wraps of our obviously poor quality duct tape wasn't enough to hold it in place. It took a small amount of discussion that the shops duct tape wasn't up to Piney standards and the best option would be to pull the shaft, put it in 4x4 so he could back into a parking space, take a test vehicle home, and ponder the options of u-joint replacement. While his pride was wounded, only slightly due to the poor quality duct tape he had to use, the prospect of getting to use a company car was overwhelming. The duct tape at home was a better product, the proof being he made it to work in the morning.

Your Paul may be pulling the thermostat as I type, and when that doesn't cure the overheating, a search of Powerstroke sites to find how to hardwire the stupid electrically controlled fan so it works as it should may solve the issue, god willing.
 
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