Towing Help
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Have any of you guys read an owners manual recently? Or an instruction manual?
They're written by lawyers. Know why? Because Dewey, Cheatum and Howe are always looking for a reason to sue somebody for something. Anything.
Common sense, people. That's what it takes. Not some instruction manual written by paranoid Corporate Lawyers.
The limits on these trucks are defined more by what Lawyers think than by what Engineers think.
IOW, Ford de-rates their Trucks on purpose. For a reason.
It cracks me up how it is so typical of some people (often from certain regions) that they think the rules are written by some Godly figure on top of Mount Olympus and shall not be violated under penalty of eternal damnation by politically correct arsewipes that have no more business behind the wheel of a Super Duty than they do piloting a B-2 Bomber. Or anything more challenging than a Prius.
Use your head. Go on an RV Forum. Ask around in there. Real World, not some Burbie that drives his jacked-up Sooper Duty to the Mall and takes up three spots just to look cool
(they have the same infestation there as almost anywhere else, so..... grain of sale time)
End Rant. Sorry 'bout that.
They're written by lawyers. Know why? Because Dewey, Cheatum and Howe are always looking for a reason to sue somebody for something. Anything.
Common sense, people. That's what it takes. Not some instruction manual written by paranoid Corporate Lawyers.
The limits on these trucks are defined more by what Lawyers think than by what Engineers think.
IOW, Ford de-rates their Trucks on purpose. For a reason.
It cracks me up how it is so typical of some people (often from certain regions) that they think the rules are written by some Godly figure on top of Mount Olympus and shall not be violated under penalty of eternal damnation by politically correct arsewipes that have no more business behind the wheel of a Super Duty than they do piloting a B-2 Bomber. Or anything more challenging than a Prius.
Use your head. Go on an RV Forum. Ask around in there. Real World, not some Burbie that drives his jacked-up Sooper Duty to the Mall and takes up three spots just to look cool
(they have the same infestation there as almost anywhere else, so..... grain of sale time)
End Rant. Sorry 'bout that.
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lol ^
You make it sound like its a noble pursuit or somehow a manly endeavor to put your family's financial security at risk.
I've personally seen one of my best friends almost lose his house and have his wages garnished because he was exactly 1,000lbs over the rated limit of his Dodge and got in an accident in AZ (not a very litigious state). I choose to not put myself and my family in that situation. Its not rocket science and its not an argument between lawyers and engineers. It doesn't matter one iota what you think about the situation. Its either legal, or its not. You are either OK with the risk, or you are not. There's nothing brave about bucking the system and taking on that risk.
If you want it changed, change the system. If you don't give a rats ***, tow heavy. No one here cares. Its your money, safety, livelihood. Make your bed and sleep in it. These threads always devolve into monkeys pounding their chests about the merits of the hardware installed on the truck...it. doesnt. matter. Its legal, or its not. You play by the rules, or you dont. There's no room for debate there. Everyone here knows the truck is capable of more. So what?
You make it sound like its a noble pursuit or somehow a manly endeavor to put your family's financial security at risk.
I've personally seen one of my best friends almost lose his house and have his wages garnished because he was exactly 1,000lbs over the rated limit of his Dodge and got in an accident in AZ (not a very litigious state). I choose to not put myself and my family in that situation. Its not rocket science and its not an argument between lawyers and engineers. It doesn't matter one iota what you think about the situation. Its either legal, or its not. You are either OK with the risk, or you are not. There's nothing brave about bucking the system and taking on that risk.
If you want it changed, change the system. If you don't give a rats ***, tow heavy. No one here cares. Its your money, safety, livelihood. Make your bed and sleep in it. These threads always devolve into monkeys pounding their chests about the merits of the hardware installed on the truck...it. doesnt. matter. Its legal, or its not. You play by the rules, or you dont. There's no room for debate there. Everyone here knows the truck is capable of more. So what?
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The OP was asking if it was physically safe, not legally safe. (The OP already knows what's legal and what's not...) I think we've established that most agree it is physically safe. Debating the odds of a legal situation has nothing to do with this thread's intent and much like politics and religion, we're not going to change each other's minds...
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The OP was asking if it was physically safe, not legally safe. I think we've established that most agree it is physically safe. Debating the odds of a legal situation has nothing to do with this thread's intent and much like politics and religion, we're not going to change each other's minds...
It's funny that 1/2 tons seem to be over rated for marketing but 3/4 tons seem under rated for regulations haha.
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Not even close to being an actual event.
Somebody be pulling somebody's -- Something.
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Cause if it didn't happen to you it didn't happen, right? Ha. Head. In. Sand.
Tuned
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From: Irving
One of my best buddies was a truck accident investigator. Very firth thing they looked at? All the weights and ratings. Finding out who hit who was much later. I stay under the numbers for liability reasons, not because I think the rigs not good for 40% more.
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The question boils down to "can" versus "should". We mostly agree it can. The debate is whether it should be done on a routine basis for legal/liability reasons. On that aspect, we mostly agree it shouldn't be done.
While most of us don't personally know one another on this forum, it's a place to come for advice and counsel. If someone comes here and asks whether they should buy beach front property in Arizona, we will mostly tell him that is probably not a good idea for obvious and factual reasons. Others will say, "it's his money, let him do what he wants with it." The advice has been provided and the general consensus is that buyers should purchase enough truck to legally handle any future trailer purchases.
Adam
While most of us don't personally know one another on this forum, it's a place to come for advice and counsel. If someone comes here and asks whether they should buy beach front property in Arizona, we will mostly tell him that is probably not a good idea for obvious and factual reasons. Others will say, "it's his money, let him do what he wants with it." The advice has been provided and the general consensus is that buyers should purchase enough truck to legally handle any future trailer purchases.
Adam
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Actually no. I just went back through the thread and counted. 9 different posters were fine with running the OP's proposed setup. 6 said it was not for them. (A few others didn't post an opinion either way...) So, it certainly is not general consensus Adam...
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