Diesel Brands
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Diesel Brands
We've had conversations about differences among diesel brands before. I usually buy at Mobil or Irving (New England) and went to the Irving station today only to see a big fuel tanker truck there, so I went back to the Mobil I had passed to get there and fueled up. As I was finishing, the same tanker truck showed up so I engaged the driver in conversation. He said that I did the right thing to not fill where he had just been because of stirring up sediment. So I asked about additives between brands. He said there are none, he just delivers #2 diesel, that Irving is the provider as Mobil has none in the area, and he wasn't aware of any additives put in by Irving. He also said that the gas brands do have their own additive packages and he uses Shell as he considers that the best, not that he may have any special knowledge on that.
I'm posting this because I know there are some who think one brand of diesel may be better than another, but it is pretty much all the same. The important thing is to use higher volume stations so as not to get old fuel.
I'm posting this because I know there are some who think one brand of diesel may be better than another, but it is pretty much all the same. The important thing is to use higher volume stations so as not to get old fuel.
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Having hauled fuel in the upper midwest, I do know that Cenex does put some additive in their RoadMaster #2 premium fuel (FieldMaster is the same thing, with red dye added). As far as the other "brands" are concerned, they pretty much all get their fuel from the same sources....local refineries which are Cenex, ConocoPhillips, Exxon-Mobil, and Tesoro within a 400 mile radius, so yes, just because the Marquee on the station says Brand X does not mean that the fuel did not come from Brand Y's refinery. But, that does not mean there are no additives put in, I just don't know for sure on the other brands. If it is "branded" fuel, it *may* have some additives. The additives are injected at FOB truck loading terminal while the fuel is being loaded.
. Also "Branded" gasoline does have the Brands additives in it, even though, as with diesel fuel Brand X will get gas from Brand Y's refinery with their own additive added.
Hope I made everything clear as mud for ya!!!!
. Also "Branded" gasoline does have the Brands additives in it, even though, as with diesel fuel Brand X will get gas from Brand Y's refinery with their own additive added.
Hope I made everything clear as mud for ya!!!!
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So you are saying, "Depends." LOL! Thanks for your experienced input. I didn't mean to suggest that what the delivery driver told me was carved in granite. I certainly hope those selling "premium" diesel are putting useful additives in it or they are just ripping us off.
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So you are saying, "Depends." LOL! Thanks for your experienced input. I didn't mean to suggest that what the delivery driver told me was carved in granite. I certainly hope those selling "premium" diesel are putting useful additives in it or they are just ripping us off.
Yes, I always "***-u-med" that the premium fuels of all major brands would have their additives. As stated, they are injected at FOB truck loading terminal, so no, the driver does not see anything different. When the load is picked up for Brand X, he punches Brand X code (or what ever means at said terminal) and has to assume that everything is being done as the loads is pumped on. Now, for just straight #2 fuel, I don't think there are any additives put in. Now, just for discussion; one of the guys on this forum lives in Alaska, and he has stated that one of the major brands up there is stating that their fuel contains Power Service already added to their fuel. I don't remember which brand it is, so I will not venture a guess which one. I am sure, that if they publically make the claim, they likely had better be adding it. Does that make it any "better" than the next brand?????? Who knows.
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I used to work in the downstream area for Conoco, back when it was just Conoco. My knowledge of how things worked at Conoco agree with what 99150 posted. The non-branded stations have the same fuel, just not the same additives.
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We've had conversations about differences among diesel brands before. I usually buy at Mobil or Irving (New England) and went to the Irving station today only to see a big fuel tanker truck there, so I went back to the Mobil I had passed to get there and fueled up. As I was finishing, the same tanker truck showed up so I engaged the driver in conversation. He said that I did the right thing to not fill where he had just been because of stirring up sediment. So I asked about additives between brands. He said there are none, he just delivers #2 diesel, that Irving is the provider as Mobil has none in the area, and he wasn't aware of any additives put in by Irving. He also said that the gas brands do have their own additive packages and he uses Shell as he considers that the best, not that he may have any special knowledge on that.
I'm posting this because I know there are some who think one brand of diesel may be better than another, but it is pretty much all the same. The important thing is to use higher volume stations so as not to get old fuel.
I'm posting this because I know there are some who think one brand of diesel may be better than another, but it is pretty much all the same. The important thing is to use higher volume stations so as not to get old fuel.
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here in central New Jersey we have 4-5 major tank farms with filling stations for tankers.
all gas and diesel for all the stations come from these tank farms. the only difference if any is the little packet of chemicals the drivers are supposed to toss in the tank before filling.
notice i said are supposed to, because most do not put the additive packets in the tanks. which means the gas you buy in New Jersey at the BP, Shell, Exxon, Speedway, Raceway, Sunoco, Delta, WaWa, QuickCheck, Costco, BJ's, Lucoil, Valero or Joe Blows roadside filling station is all the same exact thing that came out of the same pipeline into the tanks at the filling station 99% of the time. the only difference you are paying for is the name on the pump.
all gas and diesel for all the stations come from these tank farms. the only difference if any is the little packet of chemicals the drivers are supposed to toss in the tank before filling.
notice i said are supposed to, because most do not put the additive packets in the tanks. which means the gas you buy in New Jersey at the BP, Shell, Exxon, Speedway, Raceway, Sunoco, Delta, WaWa, QuickCheck, Costco, BJ's, Lucoil, Valero or Joe Blows roadside filling station is all the same exact thing that came out of the same pipeline into the tanks at the filling station 99% of the time. the only difference you are paying for is the name on the pump.
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here in central New Jersey we have 4-5 major tank farms with filling stations for tankers.
all gas and diesel for all the stations come from these tank farms. the only difference if any is the little packet of chemicals the drivers are supposed to toss in the tank before filling.
notice i said are supposed to, because most do not put the additive packets in the tanks. which means the gas you buy in New Jersey at the BP, Shell, Exxon, Speedway, Raceway, Sunoco, Delta, WaWa, QuickCheck, Costco, BJ's, Lucoil, Valero or Joe Blows roadside filling station is all the same exact thing that came out of the same pipeline into the tanks at the filling station 99% of the time. the only difference you are paying for is the name on the pump.
all gas and diesel for all the stations come from these tank farms. the only difference if any is the little packet of chemicals the drivers are supposed to toss in the tank before filling.
notice i said are supposed to, because most do not put the additive packets in the tanks. which means the gas you buy in New Jersey at the BP, Shell, Exxon, Speedway, Raceway, Sunoco, Delta, WaWa, QuickCheck, Costco, BJ's, Lucoil, Valero or Joe Blows roadside filling station is all the same exact thing that came out of the same pipeline into the tanks at the filling station 99% of the time. the only difference you are paying for is the name on the pump.
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As far as I know, Conoco used additive injection when loading fuel into the tanker.
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I've seen similar conversations on other sites I frequent and remain unconvinced that additives do much of anything. I run 100% premium gasoline in my Oldsmobile due to its compression and to prevent deterioration of the accelerator pump gasket. I run B15 diesel in my IDI along with Lucas fuel treatment.
You can buy B20 at the Love's stations along the highway in OK. I filled up with it once when I drove my IDI home from purchasing it in Springfield, MO. It seemed to run fine.
You can buy B20 at the Love's stations along the highway in OK. I filled up with it once when I drove my IDI home from purchasing it in Springfield, MO. It seemed to run fine.
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I've seen similar conversations on other sites I frequent and remain unconvinced that additives do much of anything. I run 100% premium gasoline in my Oldsmobile due to its compression and to prevent deterioration of the accelerator pump gasket. I run B15 diesel in my IDI along with Lucas fuel treatment.
You can buy B20 at the Love's stations along the highway in OK. I filled up with it once when I drove my IDI home from purchasing it in Springfield, MO. It seemed to run fine.
You can buy B20 at the Love's stations along the highway in OK. I filled up with it once when I drove my IDI home from purchasing it in Springfield, MO. It seemed to run fine.
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