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Old Jun 27, 2017 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
The AIR pumps were put on just for that problem - rich mixes coming into the cat. W/o a pump, or two in the case of a 460, I'm not sure it can really do its job. Or, for how long. But, I'm not an emissions-system engineer, so....
T/E (Thermactor Emission - smog pump) originally installed in 1966 F100/Bronco/Econoline & Passenger Cars, long before catalytic converters were introduced!
 
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Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:36 AM
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Didn't know that, Bill. My '69 Bee didn't have any smog pumps on it, so I assumed the other manufacturers were likewise. My mistake. Thanks.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2017 | 12:32 PM
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And I have heard something else; The cat doesn't work right unless it's hot enough, so on the old carbed systems they ran the engine a little richer during warm-up to help the cat warm up quicker so it would start working sooner.

GM always had a nice little paragraph at the beginning of each chapter that explained the theory of operation. Ford does sometimes.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2017 | 02:11 PM
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I read a Wiki article about these "Cats" that says the fuel-ratio on a cat equipped engine needs to swing back and forth between rich and lean (the feedback carb) so that cat can do its work and "recharge".
When the exhaust is rich the cat burns the excess fuel and does its thing - then the exhaust needs to go lean so the O2 stored on/in the cat can replenish. When the engine is cold and the mixture is rich, the cat can't recharge - that is why the air pump was added.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2017 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
Cats were required below a certain GVWR. In 1985 that was 8600ish lbs.
This truck is a 1983 250 HD and GVWR is 8600. I yanked the. Motor today and dropped it off at my engine builder. I will also put the original carb in the emissions box as I do not think I will be using it.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2017 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
T/E (Thermactor Emission - smog pump) originally installed in 1966 F100/Bronco/Econoline & Passenger Cars, long before catalytic converters were introduced!
The solution to pollution is dilution, pump air into the system and it leans out the reading.
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Old Jun 27, 2017 | 07:49 PM
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It's my understanding Thermactor would result in burning of the excess hydrocarbons, not really dilution as such. The platinum catalysts later on removed NOX emissions too, that contribute to smog. A lot of people would remove the "air pump".
 
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Nodrama
I will also put the original carb in the emissions box as I do not think I will be using it.
I agree, I think the biggest gain is being rid of the feedback carb, EGR & the DS-III ignition..........but, it is so good to clear out that engine bay of all the other emissions gear too
 
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Nodrama
I will also put the original carb in the emissions box as I do not think I will be using it.
Smart move. You also need to be thinking about what you are going to use this truck for. If you are going to actually use it for towing, I would stay with a conservative compression ratio, conservative rv cam, and a dual plane intake with a vacuum secondary carb no larger than 750cfm. Stock trans with oil cooler if it's a automatic, and don't go crazy with the tire size.

If it's a play toy you can go more radical on everything.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 02:41 PM
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As far as resale value is concerned, here in Ohio, most do not want all of the emissions if they can avoid it. It is a good idea to package up everything you remove for originality reasons. Ohio only tests (as of current) 1990 and newer vehicles and only in select counties. And I've yet to hear a Trooper, Deputy, or Officer say :
"Can I see your license, registration, proof of insurance, and oh...BTW.......
Does your vehicle have it's original emissions equipment installed ? "
Motor Carrier Enforcement won't even look at it unless it's a straight truck
or tractor-trailer.
Just doesn't happen in this neck of the country. They have bigger fish to fry, like rolling meth labs and heroin.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 03:39 PM
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Don't give them any ideas. Lots of large cities and towns are in serious financial trouble, or heading that way. If they can find a way to bring in revenue they'll do it.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatsAChevy?
As far as resale value is concerned, here in Ohio, most do not want all of the emissions if they can avoid it. It is a good idea to package up everything you remove for originality reasons. Ohio only tests (as of current) 1990 and newer vehicles and only in select counties. And I've yet to hear a Trooper, Deputy, or Officer say :
"Can I see your license, registration, proof of insurance, and oh...BTW.......
Does your vehicle have it's original emissions equipment installed ? "
Motor Carrier Enforcement won't even look at it unless it's a straight truck
or tractor-trailer.
Just doesn't happen in this neck of the country. They have bigger fish to fry, like rolling meth labs and heroin.
In an earlier life i dealt with rolling meth labs.....Meijer parking lot was a bad area for it.......and for sure I did not give two hoots if anyone had their emissions equipment in order lol.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Nodrama
In an earlier life i dealt with rolling meth labs.....Meijer parking lot was a bad area for it.......and for sure I did not give two hoots if anyone had their emissions equipment in order lol.
Right, but meth heads and drug dealers are oftentimes dangerous, armed, and crazy if not necessarily in that order.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2017 | 05:51 PM
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Right, but meth heads and drug dealers are oftentimes dangerous, armed, and crazy if not necessarily in that order.
My experience mirrors your comment.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2017 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Nodrama
My experience mirrors your comment.
As does mine, on a continual daily basis. I should have listened to Mom and been a garbage collector. Finish the route by 1 pm and be home by 3 pm. Instead, these hop-heads keep me going until well after 7 pm.
 
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