Ok so when I got out of high school last year I bought my all time dream truck. She is a 1964 f100 with the original 292 v8. Problem is the truck was wrecked when I got it so the frame is shot. I traded a old dodge motor I had for a 65 f100 parts truck. The frame is perfect but only has a place for a side mount for the engine. The 292 has a front mount tho. Now I know passenger cars with the 292 had side mounts but I don't know if one will work to set my 292 in my 65 frame. Also the front of the 65 f100 is made of multiple 61 to 66 trucks so I'm trying to build a functional rat rod slash full restoration. And no I don't want another motor. I really enjoy the sound and power of the 292. Any suggestions would help slot. Thanks

 

If it were me I would just build the 65 up with a FE engine. That is one conversion I wouldn't want to do. So many differences. I am getting ready to pull a 292 and go the other way with a 300 six. It is a 65 but it being a 4WD F250 it has the bellhousing mounts. The 292 is not original to my truck. I am going to have to fab engine mounts and transmission tail-housing mount. I cannibalized a few different trucks for this job.

 

what about cutting out the old front cross piece and welding it in the newer frame? That would give you the front engine support. Or buy some steel and fabricate a new front support.

 

Also you need to consider the trans/bell housing mounts......and what about the cab to frame mounts? Aren't they different? and the core support...
Seems like finding another '64 frame would be simpler.

 

I would like to have a 64 frame but just finding a 61 to 66 frame here is almost impossible without buying an entire other truck. Plus the work put in would be worth it considering I absolutely love the 292. Also the twin I beam setup is a nicer ride than the old solid axle. And I would do a crown vic. Swap on a 64 frame but it's so popular around here junk yards want 700 and up just for the vic. Crossmember. But like I said I got what I got and this is the only option I have. Besides. The block has the holes for a side mount if I need one fabricated I will but if one out of a passenger car will work use like to do that. Regardless I am going to have to make trans mounts I know that. I'm just focused on the motor. As far as the 64 cab on the 65 frame. It sets where it needs to.

 

1979/82 LTD, 1983/2012 Crown Victoria same as 1979/2010 Mercury Grand Marquis & 1980/2012 Lincoln Town Car. 2003 and later have rack and pinion steering.

Passenger Cars with Y blocks use a completely different engine mounting system than trucks with Y blocks.

The following 1965/66's with 240/300 I-6's & 352 V8 use a similar engine mounting system as 1961/64 F100/700 292 Y block: 1965 F100/250 4WD; 1965/66 F350; 1966 F250 4WD

 

Well any suggestions that don't require a new motor or frame

 

The only way to do it without an appropriate motor and transmission for the '65 frame or an appropriate frame for the 292 will involve some degree of fabrication. If you cannot do that work yourself, then it will very likely be cheaper to buy another '61-'64 V8 truck to put the motor in.

An FE to Y conversion should be fairly straight forward for the engine itself because they do mount very similarly at the sides of the engine. The best starting point there is to get a set of 352 brackets and motor mounts for the '65, set the motor in and see exactly what, if anything needs to be done.

The transmission is another story. If you want to retain the truck Y-Block transmission, then you are going to have to make some sort of mount for the bellhousing. If you can find a car bellhousing and transmission, it will probably be much easier because that will have a mount on the tailshaft, which should be close to the factory position for the '65.

After all of that, there will be loads of little details to figure out, wiring, fuel lines, clutch and transmission linkage, exhaust, drive shaft, etc.

 

1961/64 292 Y Block:

Front: L shaped bracket bolts to the front of the engine, has two rubber insulators, one above, one below the cross member.

Bolt passes thru the L shaped bracket, thru the upper insulator, thru the cross member, thru the lower insulator, nut/washer on bolt.
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Rear: Bell housing has 2 "ears." 4 rubber insulators, 2 per side. 2 below the cross member, 2 above the cross member below the ears.

Bolts pass thru the lower insulators, thru the cross member, thru the upper insulators, thru the ears, nuts/washers on bolts.

240/300/352: 1965 F100/250 4WD: 1965/66 F350; 1966 F250 4WD use this same exact engine mounting system.

 

Thank u charlie. Will post pics once its done. I also realised the cab mounts need to come back a little for the 64 cab and the steering calum will need to be moved. Luckily I have the old 65 cab and the steering seems to be ok. Can't say the same for the cab tho. Totally shot. Any other fab that may need to be done? Also what other year trucks can I salvage some I beams from and maby upgrade to disc brakes

 

Wait, you want to swap the cabs as well? Are you equipped to do all of that? If not, get another truck - it will save you money.

I can't tell you what will need to be done. You will probably be the only person to have put a Y in a newer truck in recent times. That means you're just going to have to get to work and figure things out as you go. There is not going to be any how-to to do it.

 

Why not replace the entire frame with one from Arizona or another dry state?

One avail here local complete roller with a 292 From a '55 Tbird for under 500.00

 

Don't know where you are in SC. Here is one in GA. It sounds like he just wants it gone. https://macon.craigslist.org/cto/6142322665.html
No title means he ain't going to get half what he's asking.

 

It sounds to me like you are chasing your tail right now. You need to focus and decide exactly what you want. Be proactive not reactive. Being reactive or a rudderless ship when it comes to old vehicles leads to multiple projects with no real direction.
These trucks that we like are the cheapest of really good vintage vehicles. So good stuff can be had if you really look. It takes time.
If you want a 64 (you said it was your dream truck) then build a 64.

Is yours repairable? Is there enogh good on it to make it reparable? Just where is the damage?

If it's front damage, likely the frame can be repaired. From sheet metal can be found. If it"a side damage with damage to the cab bed and frame.....it's parts. Rear damage can be repaired.

If it is repairable take the time to ask around repair shops. Ask others who have old vehicles for good reputable shops. Likely you can find a frame man that can fix it. They may take it on as a side job.....ask around.

If not find another good 64.

Suspension.....

In my opinion twin I beam vs straight axle cancels each other out. The ride on a straight axle truck in good repair is pretty decent. It is much easier to lower a straight axle truck vs Twin beams.

The initial investment or purchase price is the small money. With that said, this small money purchase makes the difference in how much big money you will spend.

Example......

This year I bought a 65 SWB styleside for 1000 bucks for my son. The guy was at 900 or best offer. I gave him 1000 because I knew what it was. Some dents here and there some minor rust but nothing in the structure. The truck was a rusty red color and light grey like primer.
Well after replacing a rusty gas tank and some elbow grease......there was baby blue under all that rust stain. The grey was the oxidized baby blue.....most of it came back....enough to be a good runner until we can go further.

Today my son and I visited a local scrap yard. In the yard was a 66 styleside that someone had scrapped. We robbed all the CC trim off of it. The scrap yard 66 was pretty much junk. I dare say that the guy who scrapped it likely would have wanted 750-900'bucks for it before he hauled it off.

So here's two trucks one that makes a decent runner and another that's junk. Both roughly the same price range.

Educate yourself on these and choose wisely.

Last year a guy gave my in laws brother a 64 styleside that was abandoned on his property. He washed it buffed it and sold it for 4 grand. The buyer in turn sold it to a guy in Germany for 7 grand.......A free truck nets 7 grand all within 6 months.

Good ones can be found if you look. Don't waste too much time and money on junk. There's just too many good ones out there to do so.
Focus....if your stuff is reparable....repair it. If not choose wisely and find better.

P.S......A 1964 has more in common with a 48 F-1 than a 65. A 65 has more in common with a 1996 F150 than it does with a 1964 that's just a year older. The 64 is the last of the old trucks.....the 65 is the first of the new. They share some sheet metal but engineering wise there is a big gulf between the two. No way I would put a 64 and earlier engine in a 65 up truck.