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Interesting toploader. What was it originally from? Full size car?
I would be interested to know the casting number on the tailshaft.
looks like a pre 65 Galaxies unit, based on the long tail and the bolt pattern in the bell. Check the output spline too, probly a 25 spline, not the later 28
back in the 1970s when i was first building the car i got a top loader and had two change the tail shaft to get the shifter two fit the hole with out cutting. at that time they told me it was from a big block and would not work. but i put it in and put a 100,000 thousand miles on it any way. the numbers on it are [rug e ] so i brought it in to check it out and i'll have to pull the motor and see if it will bolt to the small bell housing.
The RUG trans will have the later "butterfly" wide bell to trans pattern. Those are also sometimes drilled for the old square pattern that showed in your prior photo. If not drilled, they can be drilled.
Input shaft length may be an issue, so check that too.
Input shaft length may be an issue, so check that too.
Just to expand on this: the 390 specific Toploaders (1-1/16" small input) and the big input (1-3/8") Toploader input shafts have a shorter front snout (the portion forward of the splines) that sticks into the pilot bearing/bushing. These are too short to work with small block bells, the snout is too short to fit into the bearing/bushing and this leaves the input shaft unsupported when you engage the clutch. This is a disaster waiting to happen when the input bearing craters due to the excessive freeplay without the support of the pilot bearing/bushing. Ask me how I learned this Going bacnd looking at those pics, that appears to be a small block Toploader input shaft. But check the fit before installing the clutch and pressure plate. Mate the transmission with the bell without the clutch/pressure plate and look inside the clutch fork opening to verify the input extends into the pilot bearing/bushing.
Thanks for posting the tailshaft casting number.
The David Kee site is really good, with pictures of all the tailshafts, and it confirms that the tailshaft is from a Galaxie.
Yea, that's what I was talking about. For some reason Ford made the big block car bell housings shallower and the input shafts shorter. The truck bells are the same depth as the small block bells. I found all this out the hard way back in the early 80's when the bell in my 67 Stang cracked and I replaced it with a truck bell. Unfortunately I had a couple of 390 specific 4 speed Toploaders and ended up destroying both in short order because the inputs weren't supported when the clutch was disengaged. After the second one went south, something told me to check the depth with the third transmission before running it.
85e150six4mtod it is drilled with both patterns and does mount up
Check the diameter of the hole in the bell the input housing fits into verses the input housing you're going to use. Seems I recall there were two different diameter holes used.
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Going bacnd looking at those pics, that appears to be a small block Toploader input shaft. But check the fit before installing the clutch and pressure plate. Mate the transmission with the bell without the clutch/pressure plate and look inside the clutch fork opening to verify the input extends into the pilot bearing/bushing.
