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Old May 22, 2017 | 07:34 PM
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'64 3.03 toploader

would a 3 speed 3.03 bolt on to an H series inline 6 flathead?
I have a shot at a '64 top loader and want it for my flathead
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Old May 22, 2017 | 09:17 PM
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Old May 22, 2017 | 09:23 PM
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That's clearly from a Y-block engine (or 223-6), so it is going to have a longer input shaft than you need. 1st step would be to measure the bolt pattern on the front of the trans. It might be the same as one of the stock trannies.

Whoever wrote with marker on the shifter side got it wrong!
 
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Old May 22, 2017 | 09:28 PM
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according to the current owner

"Was originally removed from a 1964 F-100 but will bolt behind several different Ford engines to include the straight 6, Y-block, and various small block Ford motors..."
 
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Old May 22, 2017 | 09:58 PM
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The 226 "H" motor doesn't have the same bellhousing pattern as the 240/300-6's, or the Y-blocks, or the FE's, which were pretty much the engine choices back then.

If you measure the transmission bolt pattern at the front of the trans, it is possible that the trans uses the common Ford pattern. If that is the case, it could bolt up to a "hogshead" (1/2 bellhousing) for a stock HD 3-sp or a spur gear 4-sp. But as I said earlier, the input shaft will almost certainly be too long. Maybe you could fab a spacer to adapt it to the hogshead and take up the extra length, seems like a lot of work tho.

Even if everything else worked out, you'd still have to cut the transmission crossmember for it to clear, and make a new crossmember to support the rear of the engine/trans. That trans doesn't have a rear support point on its case, but you could perhaps fab one.
 
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Old May 23, 2017 | 05:19 AM
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I have this line of questioning going on two different threads...the hunt for parts has raised several questions:
1. does my 7HA have a cracked block? (I got it for $200?? MY BIGGEST FEAR as I have flathead fever!!!)
2. does the steel starter plate actually align with the block, it was mounted with only four bolts
3. should I just pay for a T-5?
4. I must stick to my plan of first assessing the truth about the engine and it's condition BEFORE I begin to collect a vehicle around it.
5. As Yoda would say; "patience, you must have, if running flathead, you wish to drive"

This site has been invaluable, everyone on the site that has responded to me have shown great patience and knowledge when replying.

John "R.C."
 
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Old Feb 8, 2021 | 08:10 AM
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got the correct 3.03

[QUOTE=Ricardo Chambers;17208584]would a 3 speed 3.03 bolt on to an H series inline 6 flathead?

Ok, I got a 3.03 toploader out of a 60’s era Mustang. The thing looks almost like the 49 3 speed I’m running with the H engine.

This 3.03 has the double bolt pattern and apparently will bolt up to my stamped bell, but the input shaft diameter is too big for the clutch plate (and throughout bearing)

I gotta think this is a common swap if it’s possible?

Is there a path to 1st gear synchronization nirvana?

hopefully,

”Ricardo”

ma bell

ma trans (actually a facsimile, the transmission I have is in the garage and it’s too cold to go and take a picture)
 
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Originally Posted by Ricardo Chambers
I have this line of questioning going on two different threads...the hunt for parts has raised several questions:
1. does my 7HA have a cracked block? (I got it for $200?? MY BIGGEST FEAR as I have flathead fever!!!)
2. does the steel starter plate actually align with the block, it was mounted with only four bolts
3. should I just pay for a T-5?
4. I must stick to my plan of first assessing the truth about the engine and it's condition BEFORE I begin to collect a vehicle around it.
5. As Yoda would say; "patience, you must have, if running flathead, you wish to drive"

This site has been invaluable, everyone on the site that has responded to me have shown great patience and knowledge when replying.

John "R.C."
It definitely depends on what you want to do with your truck, but if you want to take anywhere further than around town I would go with the T5. You will be able to get that truck out on the highway and go wherever you want and not be limited by RPMs. I currently have a 3 speed toploader behind my 390 and combine that with the 3.92 rearend I don't go very far with it.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2021 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 400excracer
It definitely depends on what you want to do with your truck, but if you want to take anywhere further than around town I would go with the T5. You will be able to get that truck out on the highway and go wherever you want and not be limited by RPMs. I currently have a 3 speed toploader behind my 390 and combine that with the 3.92 rearend I don't go very far with it.

with the solid front axle and drums all around, around town at about 50mph is all the excitement I can stand!!

Double clutching to downshift (mostly on a left turn across traffic) is an added (and also exciting) attraction. 😳
 

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Mac Van Pelt might be the guy to contact about trans compatibility. VANPELT SALES LLC - your ford flathead source since 2006
 
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good idea

Originally Posted by Scotty's 52 F3
Mac Van Pelt might be the guy to contact about trans compatibility. VANPELT SALES LLC - your ford flathead source since 2006
I have spoken to those folks before.
 
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Depending on the chassis, clutch linkage, your budget, and your willingness to cut & weld it is do-able. There is at least one flathead to toploader adapter out there, but it isn't cheap. Using the H series six truck bell housing will allow use of the wide range of flathead to xxx adapters out there. The 303 shares the same front case bolt pattern as the toploader and should have similar clutch requirements.
Flatattack Racing Products

Also, in case you weren't aware, the Jeep T150 transmission is really a Ford 303 transmission with a floor shifter. Apparently you can take the Jeep T150 shift top and with a bit of work bolt it onto your Ford transmission.

A google search for both the transmission adapter and T150 top shift should bring up more information than I can offer.
 
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