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Old May 20, 2017 | 09:49 PM
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A turbo makes boost anytime you apply throttle, that's how a turbo works.
Thanks for the info but I actually know how a turbo works and a "blower" and a centrifugal supercharger etc and have built several centrifugal supercharger engines . I just don't know anything about computer operated vehicles as I previously mentioned.
 
Old May 20, 2017 | 09:57 PM
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Thanks for the info but I actually know how a turbo works and a "blower" and a centrifugal supercharger etc and have built several centrifugal supercharger engines . I just don't know anything about computer operated vehicles as I previously mentioned.
Well, you don't know how a turbo works if you're saying it makes a little boots around 1800 rpm. You can have a turbo at max boost under 1800rpm. You also don't understand turbos, especially these turbos if you think boost is dependant on RPM.

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What is the boost psi at full throttle acceleration when it's smoking? I'm guessing it's really low. And that's all you can do with the info provided.
I didn't notice but I will check it tomorrow and let you know but I'm sure it has sufficient boost at high rpm . As I mentioned in my first post, it hauls a_s above around 3000 rpm just like a production turbo car engine should.
 
Old May 20, 2017 | 10:34 PM
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Well, you don't know how a turbo works if you're saying it makes a little boots around 1800 rpm. You can have a turbo at max boost under 1800rpm. You also don't understand turbos, especially these turbos if you think boost is dependant on RPM.

Don't worry, I still believe in you.
I am quite familiar with how normal turbos work.

Also, I am not aware of a production turbo vehicle made that has the turbos max out at under 1800 rpm but I suppose that is possible.

Don't worry, I don't believe in you.
 
Old May 20, 2017 | 10:43 PM
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How much boost should this particular truck have at 1800 rpm
 
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It also makes a constant loud ticking sound every second behind the glove box . Any idea what might cause this or if it could be related to the problem
 
Old May 20, 2017 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by barnett468
I am quite familiar with how turbos work but thanks for your useless comments.

Also, for your information, there is not a single production turbo vehicle made that has the turbos max out at under 1800 rpm.

Don't worry, I don't believe in you.
This is exactly why you don't understand this turbo and why you have smoke blowing. There are plenty of reasons why you could be blowing smoke, and the turbo is one of them. Again this turbo is not like standard turbo and is nothing like a blower of any kind. If the turbo is messin up you can actually overboost at very low rpm.

What kind of "engineer" are you again?
 
Old May 20, 2017 | 10:48 PM
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This is exactly why you don't understand this turbo and why you have smoke blowing. There are plenty of reasons why you could be blowing smoke, and the turbo is one of them. Again this turbo is not like standard turbo and is nothing like a blower of any kind. If the turbo is messin up you can actually overboost at very low rpm.

What kind of "engineer" are you again?
Thanks for the info but that did not answer my last question.

I also obviously know that there are plenty of reasons why it could be blowing smoke so this is not a revelation to me.

I am a mechanical design engineer and a mechanic and vintage car restorer.
 
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Old May 20, 2017 | 10:49 PM
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How much boost should this particular truck have at 1800 rpm
At steady throttle around 8-10. When taking off it should come up to 20-27 pretty quick any more than that and your overboosting.
 
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How much boost should this particular truck have at 1800 rpm

It depends, this is not a standard turbo nor a blower. Boost is not dependant on RPM and if the VGT is 'confused' it can be anywhere in a wide range. 5-10 under light throttle and up to 28psi at full throttle

Do yourself a favor and youtube a VGT or VGT turbo, VGT stands for Variable geometry turbo, use whatever kind of engineering background you have and let that acronym sink in and maybe you'll understand what RPM and boot aren't fully dependant, espically when not functioning properly.

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It also makes a constant loud ticking sound every second behind the glove box . Any idea what might cause this or if it could be related to the problem
Could be the turbo trying to cycle. if it's coming from where I'm thinking. could also be a blown bellow on the up pipe.
 
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It depends, this is not a standard turbo nor a blower. Boost is not dependant on RPM and if the VGT is 'confused' it can be anywhere in a wide range. 5-10 under light throttle and up to 28psi at full throttle

Do yourself a favor and youtube a VGT or VGT turbo, VGT stands for Variable geometry turbo, use whatever kind of engineering background you have and let that acronym sink in and maybe you'll understand what RPM and boot aren't fully dependant, espically when not functioning properly.



Could be the turbo trying to cycle. if it's coming from where I'm thinking. could also be a blown bellow on the up pipe.
Thanks for the help . I will try to isolate the location of the ticking tomorrow and check out the turbo design as you suggested
 
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Originally Posted by FiznUKa
At steady throttle around 8-10. When taking off it should come up to 20-27 pretty quick any more than that and your overboosting.
hmmm...the plot thickens . If I remember correctly, it only has around 1.5 lbs of boost at around 1800 rpm . I think the needle is just a little past the 1 on the boost gauge at around 1800 rpm but I will verify this and post rough rpm vs boost info tomorrow.

Thanks for your help.
 
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Do yourself a favor and youtube a VGT or VGT turbo, VGT stands for Variable geometry turbo, use whatever kind of engineering background you have and let that acronym sink in and maybe you'll understand what RPM and boot aren't fully dependant, espically when not functioning properly.

Could be the turbo trying to cycle. if it's coming from where I'm thinking. could also be a blown bellow on the up pipe.

Ok, I found several vids on this type of turbo . It is a very simple but ingenious concept.

I guess that if my boost is determined to be extremely low at low rpm and there are no leaks in any of the hoses, the variable portion of the turbo is not working for some reason and the ticking sound is related as you think it might be which I'm guessing is a very loud relay.

I also just read that it could be the "EBV" sensor instead, do you know if this is possible?

Just out of curiosity, have you heard of this portion of these turbos going bad, especially at 100,000 miles or less?

If this is what the problem ends up being, do you know approximately what the worst cost scenario would be?

What could cause the turbo to "cycle"?

Thanks again
 
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It would be best if you can get an elm device so you can look at the live data. That way you can see what the computer is requesting and what it is detecting.

Richard

EDT: also, to answer your question, one of the updates that Ford did adds a procedure on startup that cycles the vanes. This is to help address the sticking issues.
 
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Originally Posted by barnett468
Ok, I found several vids on this type of turbo . It is a very simple but ingenious concept.

I guess that if my boost is determined to be extremely low at low rpm and there are no leaks in any of the hoses, the variable portion of the turbo is not working for some reason and the ticking sound is related as you think it might be which I'm guessing is a very loud relay.

I also just read that it could be the "EBV" sensor instead, do you know if this is possible?

Just out of curiosity, have you heard of this portion of these turbos going bad, especially at 100,000 miles or less?

If this is what the problem ends up being, do you know approximately what the worst cost scenario would be?

What could cause the turbo to "cycle"?

Thanks again
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