351 stroker advice
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351 stroker advice
Hi guys I'm new here. My names Chase I'm 18 and just got a 65 ford f100 for graduation. It's got a 302 in it that I'm going to get running to mess around in but the guy I got it fro threw in a 351 and I want to build it. What should I do?
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My method for getting a nice FE engine for my truck was to spend a lot of time finding someone who builds a lot of FE engines. Even if you want to assemble the engine yourself, an experienced builder can walk you through options, warn you of common pitfalls, and prep items like the block, heads, and rotating assembly. Small block Fords have tons of aftermarket support. With patience you'll be able to create something really cool.
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'65 Ford you're talking apples and oranges. He's talking 351 Windsor (or maybe even Cleveland) and you're talking 352 FE. CCC65 are you sure you know what series of engine you have been gifted? It makes a big difference. The OE V8 engine your truck would have come with in 1965 is the 352 FE that '65 Ford is talking about. If you've been given a 351, is it a Windsor (probably) or a Cleveland (possibly). Then you have to decide what kind of driving you want to do with your truck to help determine how to build the engine. Transmission choice and gearing will also play a role. See if you can answer some of these questions and we can help you out.
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'65 Ford you're talking apples and oranges. He's talking 351 Windsor (or maybe even Cleveland) and you're talking 352 FE. CCC65 are you sure you know what series of engine you have been gifted? It makes a big difference. The OE V8 engine your truck would have come with in 1965 is the 352 FE that '65 Ford is talking about. If you've been given a 351, is it a Windsor (probably) or a Cleveland (possibly). Then you have to decide what kind of driving you want to do with your truck to help determine how to build the engine. Transmission choice and gearing will also play a role. See if you can answer some of these questions and we can help you out.
Both FE's and SBF's have an amazing amount of options for building. It's helpful to find someone who knows what those options are. For instance, Cleveland heads can be fitted to Windsor blocks for crazy horsepower....pretty expensive but it goes to show it takes an experienced builder to know all the options.
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No it is a 351 out of something else. I'm not really sure if it's a Windsor or a cleavland because I haven't seen it myself. I was told it was a cleavland but really dont know. Basically the truck is 2wd and I won't an engine that can get me out of whatever I get into. I'm not going to be taking it hard off-roading every week and it'd probably be more of a driver but I know it want to run 35s on it. As far a trans and rear end gearing are concerned I'm open to suggestions there to.
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Either way, be it a Windsor or Cleveland you've got a platform with great potential for fun. Here's a good link to give you lots of things to think about if it's a Cleveland.
www.the351cforum.com
www.the351cforum.com
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Strokers are generally not cheap to build but a 408 would be nice. No mention of what transmission you plan to run --manual or automatic(? ).
There are several manual and automatic Ford overdrive transmissions that would bolt up to the 302/351W/351C block, since all three share the same transmission-to-block pattern.
An overdrive transmission would allow you to run a decent rear end gear ratio (3.50, 3.70, 4.11) but keep the engine RPMs down on the highway.
There are several manual and automatic Ford overdrive transmissions that would bolt up to the 302/351W/351C block, since all three share the same transmission-to-block pattern.
An overdrive transmission would allow you to run a decent rear end gear ratio (3.50, 3.70, 4.11) but keep the engine RPMs down on the highway.
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Strokers are generally not cheap to build but a 408 would be nice. No mention of what transmission you plan to run --manual or automatic(? ).
There are several manual and automatic Ford overdrive transmissions that would bolt up to the 302/351W/351C block, since all three share the same transmission-to-block pattern.
An overdrive transmission would allow you to run a decent rear end gear ratio (3.50, 3.70, 4.11) but keep the engine RPMs down on the highway.
There are several manual and automatic Ford overdrive transmissions that would bolt up to the 302/351W/351C block, since all three share the same transmission-to-block pattern.
An overdrive transmission would allow you to run a decent rear end gear ratio (3.50, 3.70, 4.11) but keep the engine RPMs down on the highway.
Like Ultraranger pointed out, one of the big benefits of the Windsors and Clevelands is their choices for trannies.
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Since it's a truck let's for the sake of discussion target the torque peak to be just under 3000 rpm. I would expect it to hit about 1.25 lbft per cubic inch and a little over 1.0 hp per cubic inch ...plenty of fun in an F100.
I have no opinion on trannies though.
I have no opinion on trannies though.
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Just my .02, If your shooting for 400+ cubic inches, ford makes a 400M, a 427, a 428,a 429,a 460, all stock with no mods needed, and they all fit iin that truck quite nicely.
And if you're trying to build an off road truck, you might want to start with 4wd, all the HP in the world wont keep the tires stuck to the ground.
And if you're trying to build an off road truck, you might want to start with 4wd, all the HP in the world wont keep the tires stuck to the ground.
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I have a 351W in my '64. the great thing about 351W's is their torque to weight ratio. and comparatively inexpensive parts. It's easy to get 400 lb/ft of tire roasting torque (about the same as a 460) from one using stock parts. I use mine for hauling the racecar, trash and parts. it has an AOD with 4.11 rear gears (stock for a '64 with the Dana 44)
Now if I just had some A/C..
Now if I just had some A/C..
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Just my .02, If your shooting for 400+ cubic inches, ford makes a 400M, a 427, a 428,a 429,a 460, all stock with no mods needed, and they all fit iin that truck quite nicely.
And if you're trying to build an off road truck, you might want to start with 4wd, all the HP in the world wont keep the tires stuck to the ground.
And if you're trying to build an off road truck, you might want to start with 4wd, all the HP in the world wont keep the tires stuck to the ground.
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OP has a 302. Changing to a 351W based motor is going to be pretty easy.
406, 410 and 427 motors are hard to find and/or very expensive and 2 out of 3 not very user friendly in a street driven pickup. 428s are probably easier to find but compared to 351Ws they are like hens teeth. 400 (no M)? Might as well stick with the 302 stock for stock. Certainly a 351W is an easier prospect. 429/460 are not rare but everything has to change and any hot 429 is over 40 years old, later 460s are efi and need converting, and earlier 460s are smog motors and need a little care and feeding. Oh yes, early pillow barge 460s with compression would be good but there is that 45 year gap.
Serving suggestion for the OP: Get that 302 running and tune it up a little. 4bbl, fiddle with ignition timing. How are the brakes and tires? What transmission do you have? The 351, make sure it's a W. If it's an M, find someone with a boat that needs an anchor. If it's a C, sell it and make money on the deal. Run the 302 for a while and plan your build and save up a few thou$and dollars.
Serving suggestion, ymmv, good luck.
406, 410 and 427 motors are hard to find and/or very expensive and 2 out of 3 not very user friendly in a street driven pickup. 428s are probably easier to find but compared to 351Ws they are like hens teeth. 400 (no M)? Might as well stick with the 302 stock for stock. Certainly a 351W is an easier prospect. 429/460 are not rare but everything has to change and any hot 429 is over 40 years old, later 460s are efi and need converting, and earlier 460s are smog motors and need a little care and feeding. Oh yes, early pillow barge 460s with compression would be good but there is that 45 year gap.
Serving suggestion for the OP: Get that 302 running and tune it up a little. 4bbl, fiddle with ignition timing. How are the brakes and tires? What transmission do you have? The 351, make sure it's a W. If it's an M, find someone with a boat that needs an anchor. If it's a C, sell it and make money on the deal. Run the 302 for a while and plan your build and save up a few thou$and dollars.
Serving suggestion, ymmv, good luck.