Can't shift into 1st or Reverse
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Can't shift into 1st or Reverse
Hey guys! This is my first post on the forum. I recently bought a 67 F-100 from a friend and I'm trying to get it going. I've always been a Chevy guy - I daily drive a '55 BelAir, and I had a '66 C10 Pickup for several years. After I sold the pickup, I really missed having an old truck to beat around in, so I found out about this F-100 that had been sitting in a friend's yard for several years.
It's a bit rusty and dirty, the paint is almost gone, and there are several large dents that were slopped full of bondo and are falling out, but it has a charm all it's own.
Anyway, I finally got it running this past weekend! The brakes (sort of) work - almost no lights or gauges work (except one headlight), but it moves under it's own power. My main issue at the moment is that the 3 on the tree shifter only moves between 2nd and 3rd gear. I can't really shift it into neutral, but if I leave it in the middle, I can pop the hood and force it into 1st or reverse. That's helped to move it around the yard, but I'd really like to get this thing shifting properly.
I took off the steering wheel and the turn signal section of the column, and that seemed to free it up a bit. I can now physically move the column into all four location (it seems), but the other end of the column is still only shifting into 2nd or 3rd.
I filmed a quick video of how it looks, and I can't seem to see anything overtly wrong with it:
Where should I start in trying to diagnose this thing? Thanks!
It's a bit rusty and dirty, the paint is almost gone, and there are several large dents that were slopped full of bondo and are falling out, but it has a charm all it's own.
Anyway, I finally got it running this past weekend! The brakes (sort of) work - almost no lights or gauges work (except one headlight), but it moves under it's own power. My main issue at the moment is that the 3 on the tree shifter only moves between 2nd and 3rd gear. I can't really shift it into neutral, but if I leave it in the middle, I can pop the hood and force it into 1st or reverse. That's helped to move it around the yard, but I'd really like to get this thing shifting properly.
I took off the steering wheel and the turn signal section of the column, and that seemed to free it up a bit. I can now physically move the column into all four location (it seems), but the other end of the column is still only shifting into 2nd or 3rd.
I filmed a quick video of how it looks, and I can't seem to see anything overtly wrong with it:
Where should I start in trying to diagnose this thing? Thanks!
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#3
The rubber bushings age crack/disintegrate, the shift lever binds up between 1st & 2nd.
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#4
Agree with all the above. There is a tab at the top of the column where the tip of the shift handle goes into. Mine was wallered out and brazed it with a brass rod. Like brand new. One has to disassemble the column of coarse.
Up until that point, if I would shift in a more perfect H pattern, it was less likely to jam up rather than "sliding" from 1st to 2nd. Hope that helps.
Up until that point, if I would shift in a more perfect H pattern, it was less likely to jam up rather than "sliding" from 1st to 2nd. Hope that helps.
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At the bottom of the steering column underneath the hood are the two manual control selector levers that the rods from the trans attach to. In each lever is a rubber bushing and insulator.
The rubber bushings age crack/disintegrate, the shift lever binds up between 1st & 2nd.
The rubber bushings age crack/disintegrate, the shift lever binds up between 1st & 2nd.
I'm guessing I'll have to pull the column, but I was hoping to avoid that. When the truck was parked, it was shifting fine, but that was at least 6-7 years ago.
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Thanks!
Bushings seem fine (see my pics above in response to NumberDummy), and I did spray some grease inside the bottom of the tube to try and free it up.
I was hoping to avoid a floor shifter. I've never had a good experience with those, and my understanding is that you have to spend $300+ on a Hurst one or it's not worth it. That's how much I paid for the whole truck!
Anyway, I guess I may be removing the column soon. I'm a little worried that I won't be able to replace any worn bushings, etc. since they seem hard to find.
I was hoping to avoid a floor shifter. I've never had a good experience with those, and my understanding is that you have to spend $300+ on a Hurst one or it's not worth it. That's how much I paid for the whole truck!
Anyway, I guess I may be removing the column soon. I'm a little worried that I won't be able to replace any worn bushings, etc. since they seem hard to find.
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Ah, didn't realize that, thanks! I guess I thought they were hard to find because I wasn't able to find a kit with all the bearings, etc. to rebuild it. With my '55 Chevy, I bought a kit that had every "wear" part included for rebuilding the entire column. I haven't found anything like that yet for this truck, but maybe I won't need them. I'm going to try Brian1971f100's suggestion of pouring some oil in the bottom section of the column and working it around a bit first.
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UPDATE: I got it all fixed! Pouring oil down into the bottom of the column didn't free it up, so I bought some new bushings and misc column parts from LMC, and took the column out and rebuilt it.
The spring at the bottom of the column that allows the shift tube to go up and down had just frozen up. The column was full of rusty water, so that explains it. Some wire brushing, primer and paint, and new bits all put together, and I can use all 4 gears now!
Thanks for the help!
The spring at the bottom of the column that allows the shift tube to go up and down had just frozen up. The column was full of rusty water, so that explains it. Some wire brushing, primer and paint, and new bits all put together, and I can use all 4 gears now!
Thanks for the help!
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Glad to hear it.
BTW, click on Read First: Technical Info Hyperlink Compilation ( 1 2)
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and go to page two. I think it's posts #21 and #22 to get a VAST wealth of info on the hows, whens, and wheres. Including staying away from LMC. They are more expensive than others. Like www.dennis-carpenter.com. A lot of times LMC buys from the other vendors, marks them up, then sells them.
BTW, click on Read First: Technical Info Hyperlink Compilation ( 1 2)
HIO Silver
and go to page two. I think it's posts #21 and #22 to get a VAST wealth of info on the hows, whens, and wheres. Including staying away from LMC. They are more expensive than others. Like www.dennis-carpenter.com. A lot of times LMC buys from the other vendors, marks them up, then sells them.
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Ah, didn't realize that, thanks! I guess I thought they were hard to find because I wasn't able to find a kit with all the bearings, etc. to rebuild it. With my '55 Chevy, I bought a kit that had every "wear" part included for rebuilding the entire column. I haven't found anything like that yet for this truck, but maybe I won't need them. I'm going to try Brian1971f100's suggestion of pouring some oil in the bottom section of the column and working it around a bit first.