So I am in the market for a new to me powerstroke for my DD. I have owned a 89 F250 RC 4x4 7.3 IDI (sold) 2 01 Dodge 2500 4x4 5.9 Cummins (1 is my current truck) and an 03 F350 CCLB 4x4 7.3 PS (sold, ex-wives). Right now I am looking at a budget of no more then 35k. I was looking at the 05-07 6.0s because I work on my own vehicles and the price. But then I thought to myself do I really want to get into another diesel that is 10-12 yrs old as my DD. Or do I go newer.

The 6.4 is not an option. They make awesome power but I just don't want to role the dice and run the risk. If it was going to be a toy/weekend driver then it might be a different story. I have researched the 6.0, 6.4, and the 6.7 PS. I believe that the 6.7 has definitely proved its reliability. Ford definitely hit that one out of the park.

So I want to make sure that I am straight on the known issues of the 6.7. From what I have read here and on other forums. Before I decide where to put my focus at.

2011-
Plastic oil pans (Not necessarily an issue just something to consider).
Turbos coming apart due to ceramic bearings around 100-150k
Sensors on the exhaust/dpf going out. (Carry a spare)
Glow plug tips breaking off causing catastrophic engine failure.(TSB covers this).

2012-
Turbos coming apart due to ceramic bearings around 100-150k
Sensors on the exhaust/dpf going out. (Carry a spare)

2013-
Ford addressed the turbo issue with steel bearings but still some turbo problems.(Some say that the turbo is to small for the 6.7)
Sensors on the exhaust/dpf going out. (Carry a spare)

2014-
Turbo issues
Sensors on the exhaust/dpf going out. (Carry a spare)

2015-
Upgraded turbo(I haven't heard any real issues)
Sensors on the exhaust/dpf going out. (Carry a spare)

Of course on all of them water in the fuel causing replacement of the fuel system. But common on all years and manufacturers with Common Rail engines.

I didn't mention the 16s or 17s because they are not in my budget I have set for my self. Have I missed any "Common Issues" with the 6.7? I'm looking at trucks that are under a 150k miles. Now I have to decide if I want to get a 11-12 lariat/kr with 120-140k or do I look at 14-15s most likely XLs with well under 100k.

Thanks for the help.

 

I picked up my 2015 F350 with 55,000 miles for $36k. This didn't include any navigation or leather, but it did include headache rack, brush guard, mud flaps, and a B&W hide-a-ball hitch.

As far as issues, I have had an intermittent SEL for the EGR hall sensor but I choose to ignore it since I know it's connected. I've also heard recently about some oil issues related to CK-4 vs CJ-4 so you gotta be careful about what oil you use on the 6.7L. Other than that, I wouldn't have got such a big truck for my DD, but since I'm towing a 5th wheel, kinda made sense. Plus it helps that I live close to my work (2 miles).

 

I have seen a couple XLTs here and there in my price range. Just not many. Seems it's either high mile 11-12 Lariats/KR or base model XLs 2015s and older with under about 80k miles. Don't get me wrong I would prefer vinyl floors and either vinyl seats or leather with manual shift 4x4. I'm not a big fan of cloth seats due to kids and dogs, plus my self being dirty from hunting. I know I could always get seat covers. Honestly as long as it has Cruise, AC, PW, PL, trailer brake controller I'm good to go. If it wasn't so hard to find a used XL that wasn't white I would be all over getting an XL. I may just suck it up and settle on white just to get the newest one possible and some warranty to boot. But it would be nice to have Bluetooth, 4.2 LCD display on the instrument panel and the upfitter switches. But that isn't a make it or break it.

 

Ford's Bluetooth implementation is laughable at best imho. Same with their navigation. This is one area where they need to up their game.

 

I'm on 6.7 #4. I have never owned a 7.3 or a 6.4, but I did have a 6.0 and I agree that if you can avoid it, avoid it. Or at least get ready to make sure it was "bulletproofed".

Radiators on all years can be an issue (or not). Either you have problems or you don't. Ford's stock shocks (all of them) are mediocre at best.

Have not heard of too many shutdowns due to EGT or NOX sensors since updates were done. 2011s at least had NOX sensors replaced under a recall.

I never had issues in high altitude with my 2011 6.7 and I certainly don't with my 2015. My 2015 gets slightly worse MPG than my 2011s did. (I owned 3 different 2011s - 250 CCSB and 2 350 SRW CCLB.)

Fuel system is sensitive to bad fuel. Nowadays almost all fuel is ULSD, so you shouldn't have to worry about getting higher sulfur fuel. Unless you delete then fuel sulfur content won't matter, needing DEF won't matter either. Shutdowns for EGT/NOX sensors won't either. However, it's over $1k to delete and usually $3k if someone else does it for you.

Hard for me to point out problems when I've never seen the dealer outside of recalls and when I bought them the first couple of oil changes were free... My only issue is trim related. The chrome bits, don't like the stay chromed - especially the running boards.

 

I definitely agree with you on the NAV deal. I haven't heard to many people that where real happy with their factory NAV. And that's most manufacturers.

 

Thanks for the reply Dakster. Not sure yet if I want to do the whole delete thing or not. If I did I would be doing it myself. I would not be surprised 10 years from now if we have emissions testing for diesel in every state or close to it the way the EPA is going. If I did, I hang on to it just in case I had to reinstall it. Im trying to factor in the whole "internet amplification" on problems. But all in all I believe the mass majority of people are not having problems with the 6.7. It really boils down to doing the proper maintenance. I would definitely be doing the severe maintenance cycle especially if the emissions stuff stays on. I know I'm not gonna get one that has already been deleted or had a tuner on it. It's not worth the risk not knowing how that person drove it and what tunes they used. I agree about chrome. It's always a pain to keep up on.

 

I am somewhat new to the 6.7 myself, and did reserch like you did. The 2011 to early 2012 "glow plug" problem might be the valves actually braking and taking out the engine. There is a lot of discussion on it and most believe it is NOT the glow plug, it's the exhaust valves that fail.
It seems that the cab and chassis trucks are more siseptable to it. It also COULD be related to the fuel added for the DPF regens (a reason to envision delete a truck when out of warrantee).
It also seems a very small percentage of engines that this happens too. To me it looks like less that 1%, and possible less .1%. I talked to three different late dealership service advisers and only one of them had a truck with the failure and that was only one truck.
I found the same issues with the turbos are you found, however, seems most of the failures where on trucks that where running programmers with extra HP.
The stock metal oil pan is not a lot of money, so it my 11 starts to give problems I Will switch it out. The Mag-Hytec oil pan adds some oil capacity, it's not cheap, but does look cool.
I got my 2011 F450 king Ranch for about $33,000. It was new enough that I got much better financing than any of the 6.0s duallys I looked at, and most of those where over $20,000 asking price.
To me all the extras on the newer trucks, remote start, navigation, back up camera, suplimental cabin heat, heated and cooled seats, tailgate step, ECT, was worth the extra money, and the better financing made is not much more per month payment

 

I put 100,000 miles on a 2011 and the only issues were a radiator and primary water pump under warranty . I bought a new 16 in September. It uses a little more fuel than the 11 did but the additional power and the very much improved exaust brake make it worth it. For the most part these 6.7 engines have been very good. Like others have said I would probably avoid a early 2011. I think anything with a build after around March 1st 2012 was not supposed to have the valve issue that some of the early builds had. My 2011 was built in September 2010 so it was one of the early ones. If I were you I would try to get at least a 15 with the improved exhaust brake and a little more power. Although any of them have enough power.

 

Thanks for the info guys. I know that if I go with the high trim level I don't want anything older then a 12. I'm curious as to why the newer ones mpg went down. Is because of the hp and tq increase and or programming changes for emissions? How much of a difference just out of curiosity?

 

New higher capacity fuel pump, bigger turbo, more power, same engine is what I go with on the lower MPG on my 2015 vs. 2011. Not that I felt any lack of power in a pre-2015 truck.

Painted Horse did a great write up on the 150k miles or so he put on his early build 2011. And he pulls horses with his all the time, up and down mountains. He was very happy with his new one too.

I like factory NAV and I try to get cars with it. The main reason is that you always have it and can use it when someone calls you, unlike your phone. Am I 100% happy with it, nope, but it gets me where I need to go.

 

My 2016 nearly the exact same truck as the 2011 was,same gearing etc but the 16 has more horsepower and torque . The 15 s and 16s have some engineering improvements (turbo, upgraded injection pump and injector design among other improvements) to handle 40 more horses and 60 more pounds of torque. I get about 1 to 2 miles less than I did with the 11. There are other improvements also, torque converter, larger crankshaft dampener etc.

 

One thing on the nav system vs cell nav...doesn't use your data plan

 

The exhaust valve issue was corrected on trucks built after 3/29/2011. There never was a glow plug issue, it was broken valves hitting the glow plug. Some say the problem was mainly trucks other than pickups.

The EGT sensor fault would shut you down, but software updates now prevents the shut down. You can now continue to drive till it gets repaired. I believe that there are fewer sensor failures as well.

 

I have a '12 built 8/11 with 115k miles. Last week I had a CEL come on so I took it to the shop for it's first repair. Turned out to be a bad Nox sensor. So far this has been my best truck to date. The power, fuel economy, 6 speed transmission, and just the overall truck still impresses me to date.


Good luck....